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oh dear.... I have not said this.

yes, I'm thinking....I think you have joined dots that are not meant to join.

thank you BarnyFife for this exegesis.

Enoch, one can be a father, a brother, a human being, a carpenter, a messenger and so on without any of them being in conflict.

thank you stunnedbygrace....I feel likewise towards you.

why not?

Mysteries abound when it comes to discovering God stunnedbygrace; the greatest mystery being why we are loved as much as we are. In the process of my discovery the knee bone becomes connected to the thigh bone and I can't but help enquire, particularly when scripture references this connection...

if we superimpose man's values onto God are we saying that God is less just than man?

Mary was told 'you shall call his name Jesus....' and today we have BC and AD

If we define Jesus as the greatest human being that ever lived could/would we call him the archhuman?

The Son defers to the Father....The Father is revealed in the Son....that's the order.

yet the angel revealing things to Daniel in chapter 12:1 tells us that Michael is the great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people. It seems to me that the Great Prince who does this is none other than Jesus.

not saying God is a created being....please read again Renniks.

I'm not so much saying that Jesus is an angel as one would understand it to be a created being but rather that the invisible God manifested as an angel to the angels before Man's creation, just as the invisible God manifested to man as a man in our history. A further curious account from...

The identification is 'the Son' as the superior. It matters not whether he is seen as an angel or a man. When it says, 'let all the angels of God worship him' could we also say, let all mankind worship him?....I think so. I think there are many 'elements' outside of our immediate knowledge...

One thing is certain in my opinion, political milage is being made and manipulated.....and one could say, for an agenda still to be unfolded.

to get a perspective....in the same vein, if we substituted the word 'angels' for 'men'...would that diminish who Jesus is in himself? I wouldn't have thought so. Wasn't he so much better than men as his name is so much better than theirs?....name meaning, character.

What!....I liked the plong expression.....apologies not needed. :)

yeah, plong is a problem!.....I stay away from the plong! :)

Righty!....I read Hebrews 1 again. How do you see it putting Jesus being Michael to rest?