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Romans 8:16: "The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children." This shows that we are (in the present tense) God's children, not "are becoming" God's children. Where there is doubt about a particular translation, we need to interpret Scripture with Scripture instead...

So you are saying that John 6:44 also refers to people groups?

Why not? It will add to the fun of reading the responses and reactions.

In Hebrews the Scripture says: "Today, if you hear His voice, don't harden your heart". This shows that it is possible for an individual to hear the voice of God through the Scriptural salvation promises, and through them being drawn to Christ, and then to harden his heart and refuse to...

Well, you said that Jesus being raised up on the cross does not draw individuals to Him, and the Scripture I just quoted says that no individual can come to Him except the Father draws him. It seems that your view contradicts John 6:44 and that is what puzzles me.

This thread has taken on a whole new interest with your involvement in it! :D:D:D :p:p

How do you reconcile: "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day" (John 6:44)?

What I see in Scripture is that the first resurrection is for the dead in Christ and the second resurrection is for the unsaved to judgment. Whether there is a rapture before or after the Millennium has been debated to the max and I won't be going down that rabbit hole.

The False Doctrine of a 7-year Tribulation

Charles Spurgeon says that the first thing an unsaved person needs to do is to believe in and take hold of the salvation promises for him. Once he has done that and has received Christ as Saviour on the basis of those promises, then he can think about election. Otherwise it is putting the cart...

I think it is best to keep to kicking the ball and not the players so that you don't weaken your position. The best way to correct a person if you think they are wrong is to show them through Scripture, rather than abusing them by accusing them of not practising what they preach, etc.

I agree totally. But we have a friend who is using the Revelation reference that sets the martyrs having their own resurrection before the others, which ignores what Paul says about the resurrection of the dead in Christ in his letter to the Thessalonians. We see in Thessalonians that Paul...

So, how do you read the reference? It is not enough to say "no" without justifying your answer. Our authority is not because we say it, but what does the Scripture say? The reference clearly shows two periods of 1000 years - clear as the nose on your face - and you are asserting that your...

It is clearly displayed in the Book of Romans. It is all there. There is no other gospel except what is described in that book.

It is surprising that you haven't responded in the thread about the False 7yr Tribulation.

The fact is that if everyone in the world were to receive Christ, His finished word and the paid debt would cover them all. By the way I don't support universalism because God set the narrow gate of faith in Christ as the way to enter into salvation and eternal life. The question I keep...

Accusing me of having an uninformed speculation weakens the credibility of your position. In actual fact, I have read widely about these things which shows I didn't come down in the last shower. So, my question to you is: how do you account for the fact that archaeological evidence shows...

So, how do you know that you are one of the elect? At one stage in your life you heard the gospel, believed it, and received Christ as your Saviour. You are saying that election did not come through doing these things? If not, how can you actually know that you are one of the elect? All you...

I can accept that. I think we are basically on the same page here. I draw the distinction between having faith in the Christ of the Bible who has given us great and precious promises that when we believe and act on them we receive eternal life. The promises of God in the Bible are objectively...

Paul does not mention the resurrection of the unsaved dead in the Thessalonians passage. He mentions only the dead in Christ who rise first. That is the first resurrection. To make Paul say that both the saved and the unsaved dead rise at the same time is putting words into his mouth that are...