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  1. Wrangler

    First Work of Faith: Confessing Jesus Christ

    There you go again, trying to confuse what work means. This work is the fire wall for why not everyone is saved; the do not want to do the work necessary to be saved. They refuse to do the work - of working out their own salvation with fear and trembling. Denying this essential work - of...
  2. Wrangler

    First Work of Faith: Confessing Jesus Christ

    And that is untrue OR ... wait for it ... universalism would be correct doctrine. We still have the work, the internal action, to humble ourselves in needing a lord and savior, to accept the gift IF we are to benefit 1 iota from all the work Christ did. If Christ did all the work for all the...
  3. Wrangler

    First Work of Faith: Confessing Jesus Christ

    Right, it's work in the general sense. I've said numerous times that it is not a work in the Biblical sense. This does not mean it is not work, in the general sense. The use of the word "a" or not ought to keep it straight for you. Silly to get confused by your own use of code words.
  4. Wrangler

    Do most Christians here really support Russia invading Ukraine?

    Putin is a friend to Christianity even though a tyrant. Different from NWO folks.
  5. Wrangler

    First Work of Faith: Confessing Jesus Christ

    Gladly! As soon as you stop talking in code. Except for all the work, no work is required for salvation. Huh? People say, ‘I have to go to work’’ and everyone knows this means they have TO DO something. People don’t say, ‘I have to go to a work.’ That is you gnostic language of secret meaning...
  6. Wrangler

    First Work of Faith: Confessing Jesus Christ

    Right, it is work, which is how you know it is not ‘a’ work.
  7. Wrangler

    First Work of Faith: Confessing Jesus Christ

    And THAT is the work we are talking about.
  8. Wrangler

    Bibliolatry: Worship/knowledge of the book MORE than the author

    All language terms are invented by men. The question in this thread is: Do you recognize IDOLATRY, in general? And do you recognize the IDOLATRY made of the Bible?
  9. Wrangler

    Do most Christians here really support Russia invading Ukraine?

    Agreed. Among 2 evils, the NEW WORLD ORDER, spearheaded by Ukraine, and the Christian nation of Russia oligarchy, the Russians are the lesser evil.
  10. Wrangler

    If atheists get accused of taking verses out of context, how do we know fundamentalists making those accusations aren’t doing the same as well?

    You are drowning in evidence. Appeal to Authority. You are comparing Christians who actually experienced the supernatural in their life as less than what others speculate could be with 0 proof to believe it. Scientists are NOT the authority regarding God.
  11. Wrangler

    If atheists get accused of taking verses out of context, how do we know fundamentalists making those accusations aren’t doing the same as well?

    Strawman. Comparing AS EQUAL a work of fiction with history is in bad form. Also, besides the Patriarchs’s, billions of Christians testify to the revelation of God in our lives, including me. We are the proof that you irrationally ignore.
  12. Wrangler

    Reasons Jews Reject Jesus

    How so? Strawman. I am an Apologist, after all, posting in the Apologetics thread. I am reminded of the quip by Luther at his trial, Here I stand. I can do no other. Not sure how you expect entrenched debates in your build bridging metaphor to go? I can and do concede points irrelevant to...
  13. Wrangler

    Reasons Jews Reject Jesus

    Such thinking is wholly outside the point of this thread. They are wrong and I explained why. Their point IF biological descent was required is conceded. Yet, I deny that IF for the reasons already cited.
  14. Wrangler

    Reasons Jews Reject Jesus

    The more we engage, the more difficult communication is proving itself to be. You keep twisting things to some kind of rigid legalism. If your point was about the Messiah, that you only were referring to the Messiah ancestry, then fine. However, I took your sentence to mean none of David's...
  15. Wrangler

    Reasons Jews Reject Jesus

    I once shared with my boss 5 reasons why I filed for divorce. After the 1st reason, he stopped my continuing enumeration. One only needs one valid reason to support a conclusion. He is right. My 1st reason was valid and I was over-thinking it. With all due respect, Mr E, conceding is no kind of...
  16. Wrangler

    Reasons Jews Reject Jesus

    <sigh> There is no need to explain again what failed to convince the first time. Repeating yourself is not edifying. Sadly, you are COMPLETELY ignoring my point (on the grounds that the Jews would). Ignoring an argument does not invalidate it. I know the story of Abraham and Sara comes BEFORE...
  17. Wrangler

    Reasons Jews Reject Jesus

    Sorry but it is not his thoughts but his word, ‘Joseph’ rather than ‘Mary’ that determines the conclusion to have confidence. Rather, it is all apologists who have to do better than that. Who talks like that?
  18. Wrangler

    Reasons Jews Reject Jesus

    And again, this is false. Luke’s genealogy is through Joseph’s line. The statement that ‘Many believe that Luke is saying that Yahshua was the grandson of (H)Eli or (E)Heli through Mary’ is true; many believe this false statement. Luke 3:23 is Jesus, the son of Joseph and continues through...