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So are you saying that the second coming of Christ is BEFORE the Great Tribulation?

Hi T, I read Revelation 19, and I would like you to see verse 20. That happens at the end of the GT, not before. Also the Church of Philadelphia is only one denomination type of the last four that all overlap and all go the the second coming. Thyatira/Catholic/Orthodox; Sardis/Reformation...

Do you know enough scripture to prove your belief with scripture? You really need to study, and study everyday, just to make sure that what your preacher is telling you is truth. It is really frustrating for me to find a church where I can learn something I don't know. Most of the time, I know...

I don't think you can prove it by scripture. And if there were two second comings, I think at least one apostle would have said so in the SAME teaching.

My point is the title of the OP is wrong. The verses about one is taken and the other left is not about a pre-trib rapture.

As I said before, in those passages of one was taken the other left, you must compare with the SAME wording in the other gospel for a true meaning. I've shown you in red that took them all is the same as destroyed them all. What I'm showing you is simple, staring you in the face, exegesis...

38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 Then two men will be in the field...

Not sure where you think it says that some are taken to be with God. You just gave two chapters. Please give me verses.

I think you are confused. JW's do not pray that God will kill Christians. Maybe you are thinking of Muslims who hate Christians and Jews, and the Quran tells them to kill all infidels.

Isn't it good that it is not up to you? They accept Him as the Son of God and their Savior. And so do Mormons. That is all they need to know. However, JW's are only using the Bible, not other sources that bring bizarre confusion.

Read the verses that are comparable. Meaning the same account in two different gospels. That is what I mean by comparing scripture with scripture. When you do that, you will know what the authors meant by took and taken in the context of what is being said in them. In fact, I already did it for...

I will leave it up to God. But remember, God is so huge and unfathomable, that no man can understand everything about Him. Do you think He requires you to be a scholar? I don't. All I know is I didn't know Jesus was God for years AFTER I received the infilling of the Holy Spirit. So be careful...

You know this because you have studied. But not everyone that is accepted by God is a scholar as yourself.

I don't believe that knowing He is God is a requirement. I was definitely filled with the Spirit years before I found out through Scripture that Jesus was actually GOD.

Wrong. JWs do believe that Jesus is the Son of God. But they are not Trinitarians, and believe only the Father is God. But they do accept Jesus as their Savior, so, yes, JW's may not say they are Christians, but they are.

You are not comparing scripture to scripture; otherwise you would know that "taken" and "took" mean destroyed.

but your OP said: You contradicted yourself.

I'm not one of those who believe there will be no JWs or Mormons in heaven. In fact, there will be more of them in heaven than from recognized "Christian" denominations.

Yes, which is why even when we are dead to sin, Paul commands us to not quench the Spirit. And why in Romans 6 we can still choose to sin and become yet again a slave to sin, but with no more sacrifice. Hebrews 10:26-31 Peter also warned us. 2 Peter 2: 20 For if, after they have escaped the...

I already told you the meaning of the verse. You think too highly of yourself, and are seduced by the dark side if you cannot humble yourself and follow the Lord.