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  1. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    You are moving where the NOT is to fit your dogma. A main reason he would NOT think it robbery is because he is NOT equal. This is consistent with his admission that God is greater than him. If your interpretation is correct, how do you explain - without resorting to dualism - him being...
  2. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    No. My granddaughters savings bank is in the form of a baby bottle. It is NOT a baby bottle. Whenever something ‘is in the form of’ something else, it is NOT that thing. To say Jesus is ‘in the form of ‘ God is how you know he is not God. Otherwise, it would be simply written, ‘Jesus is God.’
  3. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    No sir! Do you see the twisted NOT in the sentence? You've turned a DOES NOT into a DOES. The expression "Son of God" is a title not a biological relationship. Jesus is not called son of the father. He is the son of the Supreme Being, in his wholeness, in his unitarian nature. We too are...
  4. Wrangler

    Why can we dis Jesus but not the Holy Ghost?

    What verse says that? (Single verse please. Don't copy and paste a bunch, hoping something sticks to the wall.)
  5. Wrangler

    Why can we dis Jesus but not the Holy Ghost?

    I think I was guilty of this - before I was sealed by the Holy Spirit. What can one make of this? :confused:
  6. Wrangler

    Are Jehovah's witnesses real Christians?

    Thanks for accurately paraphrasing my post <sarcasm>.
  7. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    Part 2 of 2 Agreed. However, it is the way most people's mind works. More importantly, you have made knowledge into an idol. Knowledge is secondary! Let me give you some personal insight. I spent the better part of the 1st 15 years of my career doing hard core quantitative analysis. What I...
  8. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    Part 1 of 2 This is an @Aunty Jane decree not a mandate from God. In some cases, it was simple to just drop everything and follow Jesus. Perhaps you are confusing simple with easy. Regarding your speculative questions in red, that is besides the point. Indeed, it is irrelevant to the point...
  9. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    There are many death blows to trinitarianism: The trinity is not in the Bible, not the word and not the concept. Jesus did not teach the trinity. The Apostles did not teach the trinity. The entire Bible, with the possible exception of Luke, was written by monotheist Jews. Every Epistle...
  10. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    Well, on THE point of who God is and who is not God.
  11. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    Not about doctrine but the Art of Persuasion. Also, Aunty Jane is a JW. I am a Biblical unitarian. I’m not sure she goes by the term unitarian.
  12. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    Brevity is the soul of wit and there is little in the Bible to support the necessity of tedious dissertations on every point. God said ‘Let there be light’ and there was light. Jesus spoke even more concisely. ‘Follow me’ and people followed. I think you are confusing what you prefer...
  13. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    My post quoting a previous post. Gotcha! I was only referring to what I posted in post 50. I was not referring to pre-post 50 posts. What I am referring to now as before was how you criticize me for not keeping up with the conversation but it seems ti be OK when you refer to a post beyond the...
  14. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    Not in the post in question. I thought you gave me grief for not following the conversation? I guess that does not apply to you. Again, I understand the HS has convicted you. True but irrelevant to the point of the post.
  15. Wrangler

    Why can we dis Jesus but not the Holy Ghost?

    Profound. Isn't it also true that all the miracles the prophets performed, like Moses parting the Red Sea, were done by the HS of God?
  16. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    It's amazing that you can make a word substitution to support your doctrine but cannot make a Father to God substitution to undermine your doctrine. 1 John 1:3 And we share in it with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ. 1 COR 8:6: For us, there is one God, the Father.
  17. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    Funny since I did not even mention translators in my post. I guess you are convicted by the HS that trinitarian translators have altered God's Word to try to get it to support the trinity when the unitarian text cannot support the trinity. I recall asking you a question about a verse. The...
  18. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    Nowhere in John 1:14 does it say YHWH became man. Compare to the explicit Ps 83:18. NOG: so that they must acknowledge you. Your name is Yahweh. You alone are Elyon of the whole earth. NLT: Then they will learn that you alone are called the LORD, that you alone are the Most High, supreme over...
  19. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    The site made a wise choice to relegate us to the unorthodox forum. This is far better than other sites and some posters here who assert you cannot be a 'real' Christian unless you believe the man-is-god thesis. Your observation shows there are plenty of self-identified Christians who...