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  1. Eternally Grateful

    Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated

    Romans 9 - 11 is a break in pauls normal writing, He stopped and started a different context. Because he felt he needed to answer a question. Your wrong bro. no matter how you slice it. Romans 9 - 11 is answering the question about Israel the nation. Not about the salvation of gentile people
  2. Eternally Grateful

    Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated

    Nope. Not all of it. If you read chapter 9 you see how God chose Israel his own way, not the way Men chose it. He did it his way. he ends with the promise, that even though Israel rejected him (in part) there will be a day when all Israel will be saved. SO in the end, What God planned from...
  3. Eternally Grateful

    Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated

    God has blessed every jewish person? How do you deal with romans 11. where Israel is blinded in part. Where they are our enemy concerning the gospel. I am dealing with the passages as a whole. You want to focus on one aspect of the whole passage.. Thats a problem
  4. Eternally Grateful

    Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated

    Whom he foreknew he did predestine (predetermine) to be conformed to the image.
  5. Eternally Grateful

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    remember a few things. Ezek 38 says they dwell in the mountains. Rev 13 says that the beast goes after the woman, and can not harm her, so he turns and goes after her offspring (that would be gentile believers) Matt 24, Jesus says when you see the AOD spoken of by Daniel. run...That is when...
  6. Eternally Grateful

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    When did I say this? I d nt remember this Bath attacks are satanic. Remember he goes after the woman, But God protects her. So Satan will continue when he can to go after her. He must keep God from keeping his promise.
  7. Eternally Grateful

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    The only blind one is the one who says zech is about the church Those in Zech 13 are scattered (2.3) this occured in 70 AD.. 1/3 are saved, this is the remnant, Even paul mentioned the remnant in Rom 11
  8. Eternally Grateful

    "Salvation" is the gift of Eternal Life - it's FOREVER.

    No, You misunderstand grace grace by defenition is unmerited favor Paul said if it is of grace it is no longer of works, otherwise Grace is no longer grace, In both instances. Your wrong..
  9. Eternally Grateful

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Again, The first 3.5 years is a time of peace. The covenant made with many is some sort of peace treaty I am sure, which the world buys into. I believe it is the financial collapse of the world which will usher in the antichrist. He takes over banking so much that no one can buy or sell. I...
  10. Eternally Grateful

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Zech 13 is about Israel and Isreal only. Te 1/3 would be the remnant, And they will be refined like fire. It will be part of the repentance of Israel in the time of Jacobs trouble. The church (gentile church) have no part in this.
  11. Eternally Grateful

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    I agree But remember, they are all tryign to attack jerusalem. One army does not even get near jerusalem. So not sure they are an actual threat to the beast. The second one is all the armies comming together.. This one will be defeated by christ himself.. I do not think either are in the first...
  12. Eternally Grateful

    "Salvation" is the gift of Eternal Life - it's FOREVER.

    I already gave you one you totally ignore. If it is grace it is not of works, lest grace is no longer grace. These are the words inspired By God which paul wrote down. Yet your church claims grace is from belief plus works. Well that is a total contradiction of terms, and in effect makes paul...
  13. Eternally Grateful

    Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated

    yeah it is literal. Its based on Gods foreknowledge, God is omniscient, He knew Christ was going to die before time began, he knew when and how. Just like he knew you or I would accept his gift before time. Its gods character. To say God did not know is to limit God
  14. Eternally Grateful

    Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated

    I never said otherwise. True But this does not take away the fact that we are elect before the foundation of the world.
  15. Eternally Grateful

    Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated

    God chose based on his forknowledge before time began. We can not ignore that fact. God knew who they would be before time began. it is just not as the fatalist says he chose to save them randomly
  16. Eternally Grateful

    Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated

    Who mentioned John? Election is biblical. Not only in Israel as being Gods elect nation. But in the born again as Gods elect or chosen people. As far as where we have romans, 2 Timothy, Titus 1 peter 2 peter. Look up the word elect you will see it (there is even elect angels)
  17. Eternally Grateful

    Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated

    It is biblical Just not in the way fatalism says it happens.
  18. Eternally Grateful

    Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated

    Romans 9 - 11 is paul answering. Question he posed in vs 6. Did God make a mistake. A mistake at what? Chosing Israel. He systematically answers every argument in refusal to what the jews were saying about themselves. And about what the OT stated would happen. He spoke of how Israel would...
  19. Eternally Grateful

    Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated

    Not all of chapter 9 - 11 is my friend. If you take it as that is context. You will never understand why Paul took a time out in his letter to address a major issue which was occuring in rome at the time.
  20. Eternally Grateful

    "Salvation" is the gift of Eternal Life - it's FOREVER.

    Sadly, He is stuck in the same situation the pharisees where in, tradition and what they thought was true having written the word themselves and having the priesthood which could trace back to Aaron blinded them to the truth also.