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You left the Scripture right off the bat. You are in confusion and cannot even read the simple Scripture as it is written. There is no... such idea of the Church being taken while others are left behind. The ones taken in Luke 17 are by Christ's enemies. And because you keep applying men's...

Christ's disciples asked Him "Where, Lord?" at the end of Luke 17 after He had said one would be taken and the other left. Luke 17:36-37 36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. His answer: 37 And they answered and said unto Him, "Where, Lord?" And He...

It will be terrible for the wicked and deceived. Didn't you read what Paul said in 1 Thess.5 about those in darkness, who travail as a woman with child, and that metaphorically sleep in the night and are drunken? Paul was pulling from the OT prophets there, about the events on the LAST DAY of...

I do... follow ALL... of God's Holy Writ. If I have to quote every Scripture example here then I'm wasting my time with those who need more Bible study, because simple Bible study instead of listening to doctrines of men is how issues as to which is true are cleared up.

Funny watching two pre-trib rapture supporters here put on a back-and-forth dialogue show as if they're keeping to Bible Scripture. Paul in 1 Thess.4 gives the time of Christ's coming and gathering of the Church when he taught about the asleep saints there being resurrected. The resurrection is...

Now that is just silly! It cannot be all the above. Just saying such a thing means to leave... God's Holy Writ. The "caught up" event of 1 Thess.4 that Apostle Paul taught is for the last day of this world. That is why he continued into the 1 Thess.5 chapter about the "day of the Lord", because...

Your mind is just all over... the map of confusion. That's what too much study of issues outside of God's Holy Writ will do to you. I'm not on a pre-trib rapture doctrine of men. I'm not a Futurist nor Dispensationalist either. I follow God's written Word, not man's nor yours.

What Jesus showed in Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 about His coming to gather the saints AFTER... the tribulation, is the SAME event Paul taught in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17. There is no 'secret rapture' of the Church. Jesus returns only ONE time, and that is on the last day of this world...

Your view -- too much speculation. And it does not support a pre-trib rapture theory. And just like others on man's false pre-trib rapture doctrine, you failed to even attempt to address the Matthew 24 and Mark 13 Scripture where Jesus showed His coming and gathering of the saints is AFTER...

Be careful?? Those in Christ who listen to Him in HIS WORD don't need to be careful with rebuke. We need to be BOLD, and pray their wayward minds will come back to God's Word instead of their listening to doctrines of men! The topic of discussion I've been having with @Taken is about the TIMING...

Firstly, I don't have a "position". This isn't politics like some seminarians often play. Either one stays with the simplicity of Bible Scripture, or they do not. And what you claim is NOT... from Bible Scripture, which I've shown in several posts to you already, but you haven't bothered to...

Don't play coy and go telling a lie. That post made the false assumption that I was not following Scripture, but that you were. Plain and simple.

I KNOW where I will be, remaining in service to Christ Jesus, doing His work, making a stand for Him like He and His Apostles commanded His Church for the end. But YOU... will be TAKEN in deception by the coming Antichrist, if you don't repent of that false pre-trib rapture doctrine, because...

I don't see any Bible support for that timing you believe. The resurrection, we are told, is to happen on the last day of this world, which is the day of Jesus' 2nd coming. Thus John 5:28-29 is what that is about and is on the day of Jesus' coming, just as the gathering of the Church is per 1...

Wrong. I don't see it as either.

Something else about how pre-trib's "tribulation saints" idea is false. In our Lord Jesus' Revelation, we are shown about the idea of God's servants being 'sealed' with His seal, and that the locust army are only allowed to sting those that do not... have God's seal. God's seal represents the...

You bear false witness, because you wrongly assume I do not believe the "caught up" event by Apostle Paul in 1 Thess.4. I definitely believe everything Apostle Paul said there in 1 Thess.4 about being "caught up" on the day of Christ's 2nd coming. What I disagree with you on is the false...

Your words are just more JUNK from the Pre-trib Rapture bookies (Hal Lindsey, Tim LaHaye, et al). All they want is your money. A friend of mine has something like 13 books in a series by Tim LaHaye on the false pre-trib rapture. It's into big Hollywood movies too. Lot of money being made, all...

Why don't you study your Bible more to find out how all those 'Left-behind' stories are false? At the end of Luke 17, Christ's disciples asked Him, "Where, Lord?" those first ones 'taken' would be taken to. And Jesus answered with wheresoever the carcase is, that's where the fowls will be...

Good posts. But the majority won't have a clue. And Satan's children have long since been pushing lying doctrines that denies any existence of a two house idea written in God's Word. They know it leads to discovery of God's Word as Truth.