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I agree 100% Jesus paid for everyones sins, but the only ones who benefit from His prioce are those who place their trust in it. they still are His people by an everlasting covenant God made with HImself! Paul reaffirms this over again in Romans. This setting aside that is still in force...

Wow! disagree with you and one is an apostate! I am glad Jesus has more mercy than you! But you will see that there is a pre trib rapture and all Christians- even ones like you who don't believe in it will be snatched away as well! but America wiull only be naother of the world nations that...

Well I believe there will be martyrs for the faith after the rapture and before the antichrist at the midpoint calls for all out genocide against believers and Jews.

Well your vision is very very very wrong as your assumptions have shown over and over again. I never said there was not controversy- that is you adding thoughts I di dnot even imply in you ranimosity towards me. there have been many controviersies, some settled by going back to Scripture and...

It did not become official doctrine until the 20th century. I do not care about how many fables were written. It is extrabiblical and thus should be resisited. The Assumption of Mary remained a widely-held belief throughout the centuries until it was officially made part of the Catholic...

Well we could debate the seals but I do not see a profit in that. But I am a prewrather as well, but I find the timing much different. When Jesus opens the sixth seal this is proclaimed: 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them...

Well it all depends when you accept the start of teh wrath. I see it at the opening of the sixth seal when it is announced th ewrath has arrived and I believe that the first six sealsd are all pre tribulational based upon what happens, what is said and many prophecies found in the OT about the...

Yeah but I also know we are still iving in bodies of sin and death and from time to time our sin leaks out. If God can forgive me and overlook my sin, I need to do the same with brothers and sisters. I do tend to throw my digs in though, which is a flaw on my part! :eek:

Well the church since pentecost has been comprised of sinners saved by grace, and our flesh loves to sneak out from time to time. But I agree, words do carry weight.

Wow! you are so narrow minded, I bet you can't even shove a piece of rice in your mouth you are so narrow! But so be it. I am through discussing with one who has no mind of His own and can't even resch rfeal conclusions based on what God revealed. The bible does not give you permission to...

Thus endeth this debate!

Whoops! My bad! I assumed your gender wrongly I do apologize. I have read and reread 1 Thess. 5 many many6 many times as wqell as having taught on it. I know we are living in the last days and that teh rapture could occur at any time. But America is not any biblical barometer of measuring...

Well I have jsut started teaching a course on the end times in the church I attend and I am teaching people what will take place duering the 7 year tribulation. But After 35 years of teaching and comparing numerous opinions and reioniterpretatyions, I am more convinced now that the rapture is...

Well your not so subtle ad-hominens aside... there is a rapture and when it occurs it will not be secret! Even insulting christians like you will be snatched up! You have made God pulling out Lot and sending judgment teh same day a doctrine for timing which is wrong. In the same book (Genesis)...

It is not the preachjing that draws, but thet Holy Spirit. the Word of God adds the content of what we are to believe, and it is the word of God that gives us the faith to believe. the gospel is critical, but not to draw a person, that is the sole job of the Holy Spirit, using people and the...

I am used to the slings and arrows of fellow believers. comes with the relationship with jesus.

there is, you just refuse to see it. we have danced this dance twice.

Well teh chruch will not be herwe for the 7 years of tribulation or the mark of the beast. I do not need discernment- we have the bible that tells us this. So we need not discern, but rejoice that God has delivere4d us from that wrath to come.

" I remember somebody else wrote about specific dates. In 1987 a book came out entitled "88 reasons why the rapture of the church will happen in Sept. of 1988". He had all this fancy calculations and secret prophecies dug out of many passages. and He was jsut as wrong then as yo are now...

Yes we are to preach to all God calls us to. Why? Because He commands it. Our job is not to win souls- that is the sole job of the Holy spirit. We are just the puffed up pieces of dust God uses to get the gospel out! Yes God knows everyone who is His. Our job is not to win th esouls but to...