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Really a show of ignorance to try and change the context of the whole Matthew 24 Chapter of signs for the end that Jesus gave His Church to be watching by translation of one little Greek word aion! Matt 24:3 3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately...

There were supposedly... some writings in the early Church, but those have been proven not to be covering a pre-trib rapture idea at all. Instead, the pre-trib doctors have been caught attempting revisionism of history on the origin of the doctrine. PRE-TRIB REVISORS KEEP FABRICATING If it...

That's really not what will happen. Like Paul said in 1 Cor.15, flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, neither does corruption (flesh) inherit incorruption (spiritual body). That means our flesh bodies are a completely separate operation from the Heavenly order of things...

I'm not going to argue. I believe what Apostle Paul in 1 Cor.15 and 1 Thess.4 about Jesus bringing the asleep saints with Him from Heaven, and then the saints still alive on earth being raptured ("caught up") to Him at that time also. The word rapture thus applies only to those "caught up" that...

Just so others know more about my answer, men's doctrines of Preterism (and Historicism to a point) believe Christ's Olivet Discourse was fulfilled in 70 A.D. when the Romans destroyed Jerusalem and the temple. With the Greek word aion in Matt.24:3, which is translated as "world" in the KJV...

And so the false Jews of the "synagogue of Satan" say. But those in Christ Jesus don't listen to them, they are like whited tombs Jesus said, but inside are full of dead men's bones. Such are the delvings of the higher critics.

Your guilty of what you accuse me of, it's your false doctrine of Preterism (or Historicism?) from men that tries to insert its theories into Christ's Olivet Discourse, with Full Preterism even teaching the false doctrine that Jesus' 2nd coming already happened in the Apostle's days! Matthew...

So now you go off on a tangent simply because I showed your error? If you think the Pre-trib Rapture is not merely a doctrine of men, then you will have a very rude awakening when you find out that it was all a lie to trick the deceived into not being prepared for the coming Antichrist. You...

I did cover the subject of that 15th verse, I just didn't quote that verse. See my post #103, first paragraph. I also mentioned it in my previous post also with: "It is not about the asleep saints who are resurrected first which Jesus brings with Him." 1 Thess 4:15 15 For this we say unto you...

That's a different subject than what is meant with the word 'rapture'. You're talking about the resurrection. The word rapture comes from the Latin translation of Greek harpazo in 1 Thess.4:17, translated as "caught up" in the KJV. Greek harpazo is applied to the saints who remain that are...

Do you really... think interpreting the Greek word aion as "age" instead of "world" changes the context of those signs Jesus gave in that Matthew 24 chapter??? The KJV translates Greek aion to "world" at least 39 times in the NT! Why don't you use your brain and do a bit of thinking for yourself...

My claim is WITH authority, from The LORD GOD Almighty and His Son Jesus Christ, and in more than one language, for the translations from the Greek are accurate on these simple verses: Matt 24:33-35 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors...

I really don't think you understand even the Pre-tribulational Rapture theory that you appear to be on. It's a theory that began with certain factions in 1830's Great Britain. It's an idea that was never preached in the Christian Church for over 1,800 years. So I suggest you seriously research...

There is no such thing as a "pre raptured" idea, because the harpazo ("caught up") is merely about the saints that are still alive on earth on the day of Jesus' coming from Heaven being seized to Him. It is not about the asleep saints who are resurrected first which Jesus brings with Him. 1...

Jesus' coming with all... His saints in Zechariah 14, back to the Mount of Olives where He ascended to Heaven from, is the time immediately after He has gathered both the asleep saints He brings with Him from Heaven, and the "caught up" saints which were still alive on earth. It's immediately...

You linked YOUR ideas with a quote from me, ideas that I don't agree with and that I never said. That is to twist my words. That is what you are guilty of doing. You're doing it again with, "which seems to be rather a new concept for you." I never had any discussion with you about such things...

Once again, the idea of 1 Thess.4:17 is what the word rapture is about, if you're going to use that term from the Latin Vulgate (the word rapture is not in the Greek NT manuscripts, the Greek word harpazo is, which the KJV translates as "caught up"). Those who came out of their graves when Jesus...

Once again, the idea of 1 Thess.4:17 is what the word rapture is about, if you're going to use that term from the Latin Vulgate (the word rapture is not in the Greek NT manuscripts, the Greek word harpazo is, which the KJV translates as "caught up"). Those who came out of their graves when Jesus...

That doesn't prove anything one way or the other, because the signs Jesus was giving in His Olivet Discourse are the Seals of Revelation 6. So those signs don't just stand alone; they are hard linked to other Scripture that also helps maintain their order, like the 1 Thess.4 & 5 chapter's events...

That really won't work, because in the Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 verses Jesus was specific that the time of gathering of the saints and His coming is AFTER the tribulation He warned of in His Olivet Discourse. That means you cannot insert a rapture into those verses prior to the...