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I think you know what this means, unlike some others on this forum. It means for the destruction of the carnal nature - the unsaved nature of a carnal person. This person was in their midst, but was not a true believer. He needed to be excommunicated because evidently he was not new to them and...

When you are in the Spirit you can STAY THERE, and never willfully sin. But Paul does warn us not to quench the Spirit by doing something willful, or even grieve the Spirit by not doing something you should - omission.

I DO have power over willful sin. What makes you think I believe differently?

The last one is that hell is forever, because the devil and his angels are immortal. Everlasting punishment could also mean with no end until death when compared to the parables.

It seems we still disagree that not all sin is willful. I'll keep my Old Testament definitions - our schoolmaster.

Yes, but so many are told they are saved when they aren't. And if they are also taught, OSAS, then they are in a false assurance.

What makes you think that those with the Spirit of God indwelling them cannot be holy in this lifetime? Hebrews 12:14 The source of sin??? Where did this thought come from??? I don't remember saying anything along this line of reasoning? The thought could be from Satan, but it is only sin if...

I like @Episkopas, but I'm not on the same page with him in Eschotology. This is my own view after reading many parables of the chaff and bundles of tares being burned up and destroyed. Also knowing that hell was not made for man, but for the immortal fallen angels, who knew God, personally, and...

Correct, but they BELIEVE they are OSAS, when they were never saved to begin with. Understand? This is a different topic than the dog returning to his vomit. That is complete apostasy AFTER being truly saved.

I believe it would take a lot to completely reject Christ and go back into perdition as in Hebrews 10:26-39. For me, if I fail to act immediately on a sin that is unintentionally committed, but it comes to my attention, God's voice is silent. But when I completely reverse the sin, I hear Him...

Right, so this is why that verse in 2 Peter 2 is alarming to me. Do you understand what I mean? It would have been better for them if they never had become immortal in their spirit. If someone whose spirit has become immortal, and then goes back into willful sinning, and dies in that...

But you are OTSAS, and so am I; but others are not who believe in OSAS. It is for their sake I call this the most dangerous doctrine in the Church

Pseudo-Christians. Those who teach as Behold teaches, that Jesus has our sin, so any acts of the flesh we do now are done without penalty.

Yes, it is a sin from the flesh. But there are many in the OSAS camp that believe just because they go to church they are saved, even though they are carnal and apathetic towards their lifestyle and always have been. That is the danger or such a doctrine without explaining true salvation. I...

Our spirit has gone from mortal to immortal. I know some believe everyone's spirit has been eternal always, but I don't.

Yes, apathy.

It is more than reading the Bible, many do that but do not understand it. A few years ago, about ten, I prayed and asked God to undo any false teachings or understandings of His Word, and reveal to me the true meaning. And it was amazing. My understanding exploded. That is how I have been given...

Looks like we are on the same page here. I wonder why we aren't always???

Are you saying that there will be no one committing sin in heaven, then I agree? But if you are saying they were sinners when they died, I believe Revelation 22:11 says otherwise. And I'm talking about ACTUAL righteousness and holiness, not something imputed but shows no change in the individual.

If you remember the passage off the top of your head can I see the verses? Thanks BTW, I am assured of my salvation even though I believe OSAS as a doctrine is dangerous when taken to its objectionable conclusion of licentiousness. And my assurance is not based on Hebrews, but 2 Peter 1:2-11...