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I wasn't asking you so chill.

Earth is our training ground. In your vote, no. 2 is the closest, except it will be our nature 2 Peter 1:2-4, not like a robot!!! We must be born again here and now and be partakers of the divine nature and have the mind of Christ. Learn what that means before it is too late. Jesus said in John...

I had two questions and you evaded answering either one. 1. Does your definition of grace change a person's carnal nature to the divine nature? 2. Does your definition of grace just free them from the Law, and just lets them sin to their evil heart's content, but God can't see the sin because...

Don't know what you are trying to point out.

Does your definition of grace change a person's nature? Or does it just let them freely sin to their evil heart's content, but God can't see the sin because the blood of Jesus covers them.

Paul, the apostle, is not a false teacher, and I never said he was. But there is one false teacher on this forum (look in the mirror to see) that takes his words and twists them as they do the rest of Scripture. And as many times as we have tried to help you see the Truth, you are still blind...

No, Peter and John's epistles are also Scripture, as were Jesus' brother's (Desposyni) epistles. But, keep your mind closed if you can't discern that Peter is just declaring more than the Hebrew text to be scripture. It just has to be God inspired. He was also showing that Paul's writing are...

Taking in account all of Scripture, in that age of the Church, these verses have to do with spreading the Gospel of Grace quickly and without distractions, as they believed Jesus could return at any time. The Church was very young, unpopular, and illegal. They were being persecuted, just as Paul...

I don't suggest any such thing. It is not about avoiding sin from a sin nature by force; it is the natural aversion to sin from the new divine nature. I focus on sin, because that is the focus of all false teachings that turn the grace of God into licentiousness.

Oh my, are you agreeing with what he just said? What about the LAW OF THE SPIRIT OF LIFE IN CHRIST. Just because we are not under the Law of Moses doesn't make us lawless. We establish the law. Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish...

Plus the epistles they were to share with other congregations that were referred to as "scripture" by Peter in 2 Peter 3.

Where we are weak, God's grace, His strength and power, overshadows our natural weakness, and makes us strong. Here again, we see that God's grace is POWER.

Is that what you believe being in the Spirit means? Some kind of self-induced meditative state? No, it is not of us, but being reborn of God. And the first indication of that rebirth is the absence of the desire to sin. 1 John 3:9; 1 John 5:18. We are given the mind of Christ who didn't sin, and...

I understand that Paul is making a point and is in the middle of an 8 chapter lesson on sin, grace and the Law of Moses. Instead of finding out what Paul is actually teaching, you are making Paul contradict himself.

Are you making a general statement, or are you directing this to me, because if it is the latter, you are still calling me a legalist. I'm not even sure you know what that entails, because some take the opposite very liberally, and find themselves indulging in the lusts of the flesh and vile...

I've got to go to bed, but I'll start with the first paragraph. Where is the born again experience a process? Was it a process on the Day of Pentecost?

You don't have to belong to a denomination? I don't. But I was just wondering if there was a particular denomination who was teaching your liberal type of grace.

You said it yourself. "We are al naked before God, nothing hidden"

When you are born again which puts you in the Spirit, you can stay there. You are not in the old carnal nature any longer, but in the divine nature.

Not answering this post, just pointing out a comical typo. See if you can find it, friend. LOL