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Re. the self-harm thing, I just don't think it would be realistic for example to refer to all of the ppl referred to in FHII's post, below, as having undergone self-harm; these days so many designs are faith based in any case.

@Heart2Soul Always a good exhortation! :)

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Good points, illustrative of what the thorn in the flesh might have been. I guess it hinges on when the term is literal or metaphorical.

@michaelvpardo Though I still don't quite get all of what you said earlier, this is very thoughtful post, with a lot of truth in it about the searching nature of Scripture, indeed.

From back. I'm not sure I would quite agree with this, necessarily. It's probably over-stating it, IMHO.

@marks wasn't being dogmatic; but it is an interesting thought.

Thanks @michaelvpardo (cc, @amadeus ; @Rita). I must confess that it's probable that when I read some of the posts I don't necessarily fully grasp everything that ppl are saying, as intended by the poster. (I suppose this is inevitable sometimes.)

@marks Oh yes, we are aware of the shortcomings of others, but in the light of our own how we must keep 'looking unto Jesus' (Hebrews 12.2)!

@marks Another very interesting observation and suggestion about what Paul's 'thorn in the flesh' possibly was.

@Heart2Soul Interesting observation; another I have heard that Paul's thorn was poor eyesight, hinted at elsewhere by him.

Islamabad, Pakistan

@amadeus I guess I was referring to the whole idea in a general sense of opinions being presented as facts, while facts can be relegated to opinions; it was a general comment, really.

I read in the news about talk of civil war in Lebanon now...sparked off by differences of opinion about the accidental explosion to which negligence was a contributory factor.

Abiding in Christ — as in abiding in the vine (John 15) refers to fruitfulness; being in Christ (2 Corinthians 5.17) refers to being an eternally secure believer; there is a difference of emphasis.

Hebrews 1 tells us of the Lord Jesus: 'Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever'.

@amadeus A well known journalist once said: "Comment is free; facts are sacred". I guess there is a world of a difference in there... :)

It's a sobering consideration that the plague of locusts in Egypt, in Genesis, was directed primarily at Egypt, but there in Joel it's God's professing earthly people in view.

@Rita Another searching and thoughtful post from you. Yes, what you say about Leviticus does indeed pose relevant questions. I guess I would add that as a lady you won't have had to address personally the matter of the bushy beads that Old Testament Jews were seemingly expected to wear! and as...

michaelvpardo: PS: After all, we are talking about the developed personal psychology of women as citizens who can vote, can choose their haircut, etc.; whether or not to get a bit of ink is usually a decision she would be deemed capable of making for herself, too.