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Yes, I recently learned that the Orthodox religion conceived at the same time as the Catholic religion also pray to Mary. For a long time, I thought that was a major difference. Now the only thing I see that is different between the two is the pope.

Hi mark, my understanding of justification is that by belief in Jesus Christ all our PAST sins are cleansed. It is not through self-effort of being righteous, because no amount of self-effort through a sinful nature can make us righteous. That is what is meant by "not by works." We must be born...

Correct.

You may not be able to understand it according to your own personal belief regarding works. Has that verse ever challenged your belief enough to seek further truth on the matter, and what works of the flesh your pet verses are actually speaking of? Say, circumcision.

That is after the Millennium as Satan has been chained in hell for that 1000 years, then released. It is then that Satan with evil nations got up to the camp of the saints.

It is after the Millennium and after the second resurrection. The sheep are the righteous. You and I will be there too.

Yes, when Jesus comes.

We are talking about praying to Mary, not all sin, just this one. Are you denying that Catholics pray to Mary, or other saints?

That is not talking about the Great Tribulation.

Yes, they aren't taught where all the holy traditions about Mary even started. If they knew, I wonder how many would still copy the pagans.

Then why do Catholics do it?

Except for the Jews, I don't think there will be any other new believers after the Tribulation starts, assuming you don't believe you'll be here during the GT.

Jame 5:16 are for us to pray for one another while we are alive, not dead. LOL

But Josho, you know that is not Scripture. So what truth is there in it? Read Matthew 6 if you want to know who Jesus said to pray to. Mary can't hear our prayers, let alone our dead relatives. 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus...

Yes, I find the habit of praying to saints or Mary, or your grandmother a disturbing doctrine. They are not our mediator between God and us. Only Jesus is.

Are you saying the Great Tribulation has already started, or is past??? When? The seals start with the revealing of the Antichrist. That hasn't happened yet. Christians would know.

You missed the point.

I'm post-trib/pre-mil It is probably going to start soon. So if you are pre-trib. you may only have two years left here. And if you're right, I'm going with you! But I don't think you are right. Rev. 12 talks of other offspring when Israel is being protected. That would be Christians.

I'm not seeing soul sleep there. Besides, it is the spirit that returns to the Father. The body is in the grave.

Right.