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So romans 6 is going to tell me that I have to live up to Gods standard to be saved? That I have to be perfect? ps. We are talking about how a person is saved and ends up in heaven. Not what a child of God is supposed to do. When you say required. Your making it a pre-requisite. Is...

Well then again I ask how can obedience be required what perfection is the required line of obedience required and NO ONE can meet that standard it’s like saying you must fly to the lowest cloud to make it. Yet no one has that ability. Your putting the onus on the person who can not meet the...

So a preacher should lie and say obedience is required to be saved? Putting people under law? that’s the problem. That’s why legalism runs rampant. No one who understands the depth of their sin goes on thinking it’s ok to sin. That’s just a legalistic mindset brought out by people who think we...

Yet you keep saying obedience is REQUIRED. The word required is the word I am questioning. by the way, I have heard it many times, maybe no in the exact wording, but we hear it all the time, it’s just most deny it

When you claim obedience is REQUIRED, you are! The word “Required is making it a term of the agreement, if you fail to live up to your side. You will break the agreement, That’s why I have continued to show how if obedience is required, it must be according to what God says, and he states if...

Who said you have to do something? once again, what freed you from the penalty of sin (the condemnation of death) are you afraid to answer?

Yes sin is an offense the God, If we say we have no sin we decieve ourselves (1 John 1: 8) the requirement is perfection = no sin so how can you possibly be good enough to save yourself?

Yawn, what else would we be saved by?

He who believes is not condemned he who does not believe is condemned already what freed them from the penalty of death? The penalty of sin?

A man could not circumcise himself either, yet paul called that a work.

This just goes to make a point if I was going to believe in a works based Gospel, I would be Catholic 1. they have the most works, which means many ways 2. They have history 3. If all else fails, they have purgatory. prety much guaranteed heaven. No matter how you act.

How can all be saved? When not all have true saving faith?

What can you do to redeem your sin debt? the penalty of sin is death. There is your answer

Water baptism does not replace spirit baptism, not of works. water baptism is a work

If it is of grace it is no longer works, otherwise grace is no longer grace, the apostle Paul your right it is of,grace, I received it over 40 years ago

Um no. That’s like saying Jewish circumcision is how they were justified and washed Paul made it clear it is spiritual circumcision done by the hand of God through spiritual baptism if the Holy Spirit who raised Jesus from the dead Col 2.

1. I believed over 40 years ago 2 because I believed I was given eternal life 3 since I stopped being a non believer. My condemnation was removed because I was redeemed by the blood of the lamb When are you going to stop trying to save yourself and allow God to save you?

THats like Going to Jesus and saying lord lord did we not do all these sacraments in your name the problem is, Jesus will say depart from me, for he never knew you

Good so tell me, why then do you say obedience is required. IF we can never be obedient enough then by defenition obedience can not be required, because no one would make it,

Your right it’s gods work. He baptized me into Christ. My pastor baptized me into water. Not Christ, he did not have that power. No man has the power to take you back 2000 years to immerse you in Christ