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That's not true. There is a verse that is not NWT that says Jesus is the firstborn of all Creation. More than that, is the most famous verse in all of Scripture. John 3:16 explicitly states Jesus was begotten, which is synonymous with created (specifically pro-created).

Not sure about arbitrary but certainly mysticism, like square circles.

Your 'facts' are trinitarian dogma that is not an explicit teaching in Scripture but goes against explicit teaching in Scripture.

It is God's Spirit that was within Jesus. See the baptism.

Implied dualism. Jesus died. No part of him can possibly survive in order for the Good News to have any benefit to humanity! Only once he is 100% totally dead, like every other human being, does the proof of God's love for us have meaning in the evidence of raising our brother into a...

No. They really want a man to be God.

The Apostles taught Jesus was not God. Every Epistle identifies God the Father and our master (lord) Jesus. The man-is-god thesis emerged 4 centuries later. The trinity is not in the Bible - not the word, not the doctrine.

That's laughable. While trinitarianism professes a 3is1 God, the real passion - as this thread shows - is for the man-is-God thesis. You may not be one variant of this doctrine but you certainly espouse the doctrine whether you realize it or not. Labels don't matter much to me. Call it what you...

You know, you are hitting on one of the biggest misconceptions me and my family of origin had growing up. It is my understanding that most people won't go to heaven. We and the Earth will be remade, redeemed, into a glorified new creation. Is that not your understanding?

Sure. The WHERE is not in question. The HOW seems to be. I thought you were claiming Jesus is presently disembodied, not in his flesh but Spirit? NOTE: I try to take bit size pieces of posts while others write complicated dissertations. This bit size approach necessarily leans to more posts but...

This is another trinitarian tactic; synthesize doctrine by piecing together bits of Scripture. Any doctrine can be 'supported' that way. The word of God is of God, not the flesh who utters it. Simple.

See thread on Case Against Trinitarianism.

Classic Trinitarian Appeal to Diversion. This thread is not about Revelation but Jesus admitting his limited knowledge to another, which proves he is not the Supreme Being.

If it walks like a duck ...

I am not ignoring v14 but responding to the claim v1 proves Jesus is God. Verse 20:31 proves the entire Gospel of John was written to prove Jesus is the Messiah, the chosen son of God. This logically means that NOTHING John wrote is meant to prove anything else. All the Gospels testify to the...

You know where. The idea that Jesus is not in the flesh now is not in the Bible.

See Appeal to Ignorance.

The verses you cite do not claim divinity - even though trinitarians wish that is the proper interpretation.

First, there is only one God, not 2 or 3 or any other number. Second, Jesus' divinity is not a fact. Jesus died.

I've addressed this in may threads. The Bible is filled of Person X doing things through Person Y. For instance, it was actually angels, and not God, who destroyed Sodom & Gomorra. Only in the case of Jesus do trinitarians suppose Being Y must be Being X if Being Y is doing the Will of Being X.