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The Tribulation saints martyred during the GT were already Christians when the GT started. No Gentiles will be first-time believers during the GT, only Jews. The rapture is at the second coming, not 7 years prior in some secret rapture. The Left Behind series of fiction has caused a false...

I can't find what IMG means, except for "in my game." ???

and @Base12 It appears you two are arguing over two different women? The woman of Revelation 12 is not the same woman of Revelation 17.

Who, by name, do you believe is the woman?

So what are those Jews who come into ???????? (if not the Church) during the Great Tribulation?

But not forever. They will still have the last 7 years to come to their Messiah.

That is why I especially wanted you and Paul to study my post, just in case you both believed in pre-trib. It shows that we, the Church are still here during the Great Trib. Curious - who do you believe are their other offspring? Revelation 12: 17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and...

Just wanted you not to miss the post so I alerted you. Do you believe in a pre-trib rapture?

I'm looking at the Word of God, what are you studying?

The national Jews were the first to come into the Church. Is Christ now a bigamist? Does He have two or three wives?

What makes you think you have a right to be so personally abusive and unpleasant? Just state what you believe and leave it at that. It may be a pope, but not every pope. As far as the Reformers, there has been more false doctrine out of the Reformation that turned the grace of God into...

Excuse me but we aren't even discussing who the future Antichrist is, and you haven't a clue who I believe that to be, so don't go accusing me of trampling on anything.

That is what I also believe, but I cannot overlook that it could also refer to the 7 year Jewish revolt from 66 AD to 73 AD when in the midst of the week sacrifices were forever abolished by the destruction of the temple. But this is where the mystery of the paradigms come into play. It is the...

Not yet, but they will be according to Romans 11.

I don't know if you've said as I haven't read all the posts, but when do these 1260 years, plus don't forget the other 1260 years start? 2520 years.

Right now the Church are saved and made up of Jews and Gentiles. So "redemption" for national Israel is not redefining Israel, but redeeming national Israel into the Church. That begins to happen in earnest when the fullness of the Gentiles comes into the Church, and then no more Gentiles will...

In this case, yes. But days can be years, just as weeks can be 7 years. We just need to be educated enough to know the difference. That just takes looking for if there are parameters and knowing the rules of time within a prophecy. When people don't, they are the ones using a shoehorn. LOL

If 1260 days is 1260 years, how long is 42 months? And how long is times, and time, and half a time?

Don't you see that it was during the Grecian rule? You are making the start date in the Persian rule, as it is in Daniel 9. You are mixing prophecies, let alone time frames.

Sorry, it is the law of first usage. Evening and morning is a 24 hour period. It is the same as 42 months is not 1260 years.