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So what happen to somebody like Paul who murdered? Christ sacrificial death took us out of the system of sin and tally of the OT. Behold the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world....there are others scriptures to this. But we still have previous sins on our soul .... This is where...

I am thinking that the discussion is about murderers and the like. I believe, that as whole you will not be shoulder to shoulder with murderers in heaven. Then again, that ultimate decision is up to Christ. That is why I do not believe in judging. I am not the judge. I am telling you what the...

Galatians 5:19-21 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I...

Really! Galatians 5:19-21 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you...

Now you are trying to convince me that you do not know the scriptures about murderers. They make no distinction between saved or not saved.

Luke 2:5 NASB in order to register along with Mary, who was engaged to him, and was with child. NIV He went there to register with Mary, who was pledged to be married to him and was expecting a child. NEW KJV to be registered with Mary, his betrothed [a]wife, who was with child. KJV To be...

Again that is the point. I believe that murders can be saved from hell. What does the Bible say about murders in heaven?

I am not going to assume you do not know the scriptures....you are just not quoting the scriptures that pertain to murder.

I told you that there are two descriptions of that. Luke 2:5 They went to Jerusalem..."in order to register, along with Mary, who was engaged to him, and was with child."

Not at all. You say, that believers ARE seated IN Jesus Christ at the highest level already. My example is an extreme, we can back that off to murders or rapists....Does the Bible say that murders will be in Heaven?

There you go. Our religions are different. If Adolph Hitler found Christ in his bunker at that last minute, you would be standing shoulder to shoulder with Him in the Highest Heaven.

Oh my. What about Luke?

"IN" ? Cutting to the chase, I believe that there are levels in Heaven and Hell and Sheol is still an option. Don't bring up the word Purgatory because that is not what I am talking about.

I believe Christ is where He wants to be, but his throne is in the Heavenly Court of God. The throne to the right of God the Father. I do not believe we are absorbed in Christ. (Definitions of Heavenly thrones a side.)

lol Taking shots in the dark? Do you believe that you will be seated be next to Christ?

Ya, that would take a book and I am not expecting you to become a disciple of Grailhunter.

Your belief is a little different than mine, and it has a lot to do with the properties of sin after Christ's death on the cross. But that is ok. I do fellowship with churches that think that Baptism has no spiritual effect. Just a public declaration that you are Christian. I do believe that...

Mary and Joseph were not married during the discussion of if he was going to put her away. The Gospels seem to disagree if they were married, before going to Jerusalem or after Christ's birth....two places that you have to look. Either way, no ceremony and within the Hebrew culture, no marriage...

You are talking about before Joseph and Mary were married. Granted the Hebrew betrothed was taken more seriously than our engagement customs.

That is a big bite! Do you believe that belief in Jesus Christ is required for the only true salvation and way to heaven? I vote for that one! I believe that most Christian denominations provide a path to salvation. lol Even Calvinism! But if that religion does not believe that Christ is a God...