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I wasn’t limiting it to spoken on earth, but understood, recorded in Scripture. It was Lucifer IN Heaven, whose THOUGHT, to rise up Above God...got him booted DOWN to Earth...and once ON earth, as we were informed, made himself present in the Garden, (as a visible Serpent) and as we have been...

You mean....why are some NOT already “glorified” and can “see God NOW”, even though others can not?

Freedoms fall by the way-side....B-cause IMO, of indoctrination teaching methods.... Then enter the “authorities”...gov. Schools, whatever....and announce their “PRIVILEGES”....(that they will GRANT YOU....”IF” )...you will give them ... Every private piece of information....and perhaps also...

I would presume...B-cuz water dip “certification” is the basic requirement for joining “being” considered a member of a church. There is not a “test” of “knowledge” or “understanding”. (Kind of like becoming a sitting gov rep...:rolleyes:...no test, scant qualification...)

Okay back for a few minutes. Last guess. Tyrus the answer you are looking for?

I thought your were directing to the Church Age. The first in History, is Lucifer...ie name, description, estate changed.

I am not forgetting anything. Already am aware and addressed, people getting their water dip, without a clue of the all encompassing big picture. All day long...(even on this forum), people claim SAVED...BORN AGAIN...ya, ya SPIRIT of GOD IN ME.....oh by the way...”kind of a fail”...cause...

Mark 10 [13] And they (followers) brought young children to him, that he should touch them: and his “disciples” rebuked those (followers) that brought them. Laying the first heresy to deflect another away from Jesus’...the Disciples?

@David in NJ So, did I go completely off the rail for your riddle? :p

IF - THEN ... is a warning. “That” IF - THEN....was an example TO men, during Jeremiah’s day, that SOME MEN of ISREAL previously, in days “Before” Jeremiah..WERE CUT OFF...and ALL COULD be CUT off, if ALL do not heed the warning. A history lesson of sorts, to know what DID happen historically...

Man does not STOP being a man, because he is saved or quickened. Earth was created for mans habitat. That has not changed. Earth will Always be mans Habit. (But in the big picture, a I believe a few exceptions, but another topic all together.) If you STAY in the Order and Way....it is Jesus...

My question would be to your perspective ...WHY NOT?

I believe the “offense” hangs on, the fact they do not know WHY they believe what they do, because they believe what they were TOLD, without themselves every ASKING WHY. There is a little story about...a g-ma, mom, daughter...cooking supper together. The mom gets the HAM, says to the...

Gotcha...enjoy.

What in general were the pros and cons ?

Okay, tnx for your reply.

Okie dokie with me... So, related topic, but disagreement irrelevant... Did you choose to take the Jab? If so, by simple personal choice, or secured your job?

Of course I do not agree with your overlapping terminology...Neither does Scripture. So what? You don’t agree with me....so what? Do I need to wave a finger at you, as if, your disagreement requires a tongue lashing? No. And neither is your finger waving required or accepted. I was very...

The Point is...those who do not want to take the JAB, are being threatened, with inability to continue to provide for their families. The Point being...the CHOICE to take the JAB or NOT, is being circumvented, by threats, and actual inabilities to provide for their families, for CHOOSING to not...

THAT is the “PATSY” so to speak... Governments, Power sitters...WHO DICTATE...always have a “patsy” to deflect the blame from them to “something” else. You can get the “government”....SUGGESTED VAX...or not. While in the mean-time...the government is bribing and dictating for the Employers to...