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Do you know what providence means?

God is omniscient and has decreed by the act if creation that all will unfold as it is predetermined to unfold. You say... No truth in....decreed....or predetermined.....no puppet show. People have the power of choice and God knows those choices but does not interfere.

I did not say God is a spectator. He is involved with our lives. But he would never make his children puppets on a string.

I am addressing you mister, and if you are one of the pups, you are one of the better pups. Yes God knows the future and no he does not control it.

There is a big difference in knowing the future and controlling it.

Only if you want...to talk to me...you will have to stop talking in circles. Yes God knows who will be saved...because of his power of clairvoyance, not the use of his power of predestination. You do not want to be standing in front of Christ, explaining He damned (predestined) people to hell...

Again, it is the point that will hold you back from the truth. There is no chance that predestinationists, confuse clairvoyance with mind control. It is one thing to have a program in your hand as you watch a puppet show, but an entirely different thing, to be the puppet master.

Not a Calvinist, but something in between. I get it. Still anything to do with predestination as norm or the elect speaks against the Spirit of Christ and what He did for us.

That one belief is what is going to hold you back from knowing the truth. Get off your high horse...we all believe God is omniscient! God can do anything he want. He could color the whole world and what is in it, purple. But why would he want to? God has the power of predestination....mostly...

Well John Caldwell, Intelligent you are, but you still cannot see the forest for the trees. Have you noticed when you talk to Calvinists that no amount of scriptures or reason matters? The reason….picking and choosing scriptures to form a religious belief will usually end up bad. And reasoning...

Save the kid,. but has nothing to do with this topic. God inspired, Holy Spirit led....they all say that from every person to every religion....I guess there is a lot you do not notice.....bubble. lol Had a preacher come to my door promoting the youth program at his church and told me that his...

You both seem to be reasonably intelligent. But I keep saying that these battles are caused by people that cannot see the forest for the trees. You need to step back and look at the spirit of Christ, the spirit of Christianity. I have pointed out that there are literally tens of thousands of...

Either way, up to you, God bless.

A piece of advise...do not go to the trouble of labeling me. I travel to many churches. Most of them Protestant and many denominations, but also Catholic churches. Most of the time I am in a Protestant church. The most accurate statement about me is I like Christians. Enjoy Christians as long as...

You error in thinking that no one here has had dealings with Calvinists. I have personally been involved with Law Enforcement Officers to rescues women and children from them. It is not a benign religion. Children passing notes in church and grocery stores, and Walmart for help. Care to explain...

The Jehovah's Witnesses twist the scriptures to formulate that Christ is not a God. Sometimes you have to look at the logic and spirit of the scripture to know the truth. I can give you a scripture that indicates that you have to hate your father and mother to his disciple. I don't recommend...

I will make this point clear. It is above my pay grade to say that anyone is going to hell. Judge the sin...not the sinner. There was a time when the Mafia was predominately Catholic. (It does not matter if they were Baptist.) I am sure there were good people in the Mafia. But if I were to...

Read all the post...your point?

Again can you be more wrong! No one can be saved unless they chose to believe in Christ. God is not evil so he would never think to predestine people. Just like the Nazis, Calvinist desire to glorify themselves. Making all reality a puppet show would prove nothing of Man. Calvinism nullifies...