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And how do you know that? It doesn't say that it's just a few people. So, it's just your assumption. You can't just go by what you see on a forum like this. A forum like this attracts people who have views all to themselves and think they need to educate everyone else with their lone wolf...

Actually, I have, but your beliefs are very complicated involving at least 5 raptures if I recall correctly. You have a doctrine all your own. Not trying to be rude, but it's true and you know that. So, it's not easy to remember what exactly you believe. So is Matthew 24:29-31 (Mark 13:24-27)...

That is completely beside the point. He obviously had access to the third heaven. For him to be cast out means he can't ever go there at all after that. And what is what Revelation 12 is portraying: Satan and his angels being cast out of the third heaven.

That's a made up story. I see no evidence to suggest that any angel except for an angel of God would ever be given the key to the bottomless pit. That coincides with Satan being loosed from the bottomless pit. The locusts symbolically represent fallen angels and Abaddon represents Satan. The...

Not only is the star not literal, but neither is the falling. A non-literal star can't literally fall. Another scripture talks about a harlot sitting on many waters (Revelation 17:1). Should we only see the harlot as symbolic, but the sitting on many waters as literal? Can a symbolic entity...

Doug, do you understand that it would be up to God to decide who can have the key to the bottomless pit? In Revelation 20:1, it is an angel of God with the key. Why would God ever allow Satan to have that key? I believe that makes no sense and that it's clearly only meant for an angel of God to...

Is that a literal star that's falling? No. Neither the star nor the falling should be taken literally. John is just relaying what he saw in a vision, which looked like a falling star. That simply represents an angel coming down from heaven to earth. Plus, there couldn't be any fallen angels at...

That is not true. They though sinned and fell from the former positions they had, they still had access to heaven. We can see Satan having access to the third heaven here when he talked to God about Job: Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the...

Is it not Satan that unlocks the bottomless pit. Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, The...

I'm not saying anything about that, I'm trying to talk about what "unto Messiah the Prince" means. Why don't you read what I actually say instead of just making things up? What do you think "unto Messiah the Prince" means? Unto His birth? Unto His baptism? Unto His triumphal entry in Jerusalem...

Again, it says that their king is the angel of the bottomless pit. How can the king of literal locust creatures be an angel? Why would you assume you should take something like that literally in a book that contains so much symbolism? I'll never understand that. Satan goes by other names than...

Do you not believe that God could supernaturally send fire down upon the earth if He wants to? I totally disagree with your belief about what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah. The scripture says the fire came down from heaven, not from a volcano. Revelation 20:9 They marched across the breadth of...

It's okay. I appreciate your effort to clear things up. Why not? I see no basis for that conclusion. It's clear to me that Matthew 24:29-31 (Mark 13:24-27) and 1 Thess 4:14-17 are the same event because both describe Christians being gathered both from heaven and from the earth at that time...

Where does it say that? Daniel 12:10 (NIV): Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand. Daniel 12:10 (KJV): Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the...

Thanks, David. I had some trouble understanding that for awhile, too. It definitely can be confusing without digging a bit deeper into it. Realizing that it's a parable and not reality helps. I mean, of course it's representing something in reality, but not a real wedding. Obviously, a bride is...

Scripture says He did. Hebrews 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8...

You completely missed the point. Did I say at all that every time the word is used it's in reference to something that doesn't take place immediately or shortly after? No, I did not. So, why are you acting as if I said that? That was not my point. At the beginning of my post I said "The word...

So, you acknowledge that Gentile believers are included among the elect. Let me remind you of what you said previously. First, I had said this: Then you said this: I was claiming that Christians are the elect referenced in Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 and you scoffed at that. Now, you...

What difference does that make (in or within)? Are you purposely trying to avoid addressing my point? Do you believe that Christ's death relates to the fulfillment of at least one of the things listed in Daniel 9:24? I believe you have said before that His death is what fulfilled making...

Exactly. Yet, this person and a few others try to change the definition of the word "after" to "at the end of". A very dishonest tactic that they use to support their doctrine. Another argument that was made is that "after" means shortly after. That's still after the 69th week is finished, so...