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Amen, and welcome!!

Sounds just like you Fact is, making strawman arguments like this, which can be turned around and be just as apply applied to yourself. shows that maybe just maybe, its all you have. And maybe I should move on from you also..

Well. You have yet to prove this point So I will continue to believe until you or someone else can show me otherwise. And if all you are going to do is say I am wrong in every post. I will discontinue any conversation with you.

Yes, This is how I see that you view scripture. And yes, it is sad

That does not say one can earn Grace It says in the whole passage, That not everyone the author spoke to were true children. In fact it speaks of being illegitimate children earlier We are made Holy By God. Not ourself. If we fail to recieve the grace gift God offers. We will fail to come to...

That's the problem What you think is false is true I know I can not convince you of this, But whether you believe it or not. Does not make it false

The devil is not given an opportunity to make it nore does he desire to Loopholes? lol, I my friend is not looking for loopholes I am also not trying to save myself by thinking I am something I am not.

No, I said it is proven truth Saying a doctrine is truth''and saying I can know a persons salvation status are two different things.

Yes, He says those who used their works as the reason why They think God should let them in. He says he NEVER knew them Meaning these workers were never born again, spirit filled people of God

Were does scripture say Gods born again spirit filled, adopted, made alive, Blessed with every spiritual blessing under heaven will do these things ? i can't find it

No, This is where you are wrong. Salvation is being saved from Hell. Saved from eternal Death, Saved from spiritual death, It is one who was dead in christ being made alive to God It is FROM OUT OF THIS FACT, that we desire to walk in Gods ways, and it empowers us to walk in Gods way. If one...

Amen, Thats why Eternal security, eternal life, OSAS, whatever you want to call it, is a proven Doctrine True, But this does not determine who gets to heaven and who Does not. God knows who has true faith and who does not does he not? I agree, amen, this is how we are sanctified, By loving...

we need grace because we have failed it is troubling you think that you can earn it

yes I have met people who claim they are saved, But I do not think they are but That was not my question, I asked about people who claim they are saved, But have no desire to walk in Gods ways Can you answer this question please.

so again, If you do not make yourself holy but God does it Than how can you ever be unholy. and fall out of the adoption which you claim you have received? Would this not mean God failed?

so we have to work hard, and have many good works, so that we can overcome and earn savation Thank you I think you just made my point for me As for who is the one who overcomes? John gives us this answer 1 John 5:4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that...

I am not God, its not up to me However, If you say you did them because you were working toward receiving eternal life. THEN I can judge your motive

If I was pushed to give an answer, this would be mine also.. Based on what I said above

ok I see I researched this Matt has robbers one on each side, Which fulfilled a prophecy he was numbered among the transgressors.. Robber in greek - Theif, robber, Band of thieves pirates, rebels transgressors - Evil doer, one without law, Wicked Mark has robbers, Same greek word as matt...

Look up the word redeem The word redeem, a term used of someone who has had their freedom purchased or paid for. so they could be set free