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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    The Son of Man returns with and for his people

    He's showing the real meaning. If you read about God's promises to Abraham and his seed in the OT and didn't have the NT to refer to, do you think you would conclude that the promises applied to Jesus and those who belong to Him, as Paul said in Galatians 3:16-29? I doubt it. So, did Paul change...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    The Son of Man returns with and for his people

    I asked you: Are there two spiritual houses of God that have Jesus Christ as the cornerstone? What is your answer to that question? I can't tell from what you said here. We know that the church is a spiritual house of God that has Jesus Christ as the cornerstone (Eph 2:19-22), right? Is there...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    The Son of Man returns with and for his people

    It seems that you also ignored what I said and are not looking at the context of 1 Peter 2:9. Did you look at the surrounding verses? 1 Peter 2:5 As you come to him, the living Stone—rejected by humans but chosen by God and precious to him— 5 you also, like living stones, are being built into a...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    The Son of Man returns with and for his people

    You didn't address anything I said specifically. I showed how scripture defines the spiritual house that has Jesus Christ as its cornerstone and it says it consists of Jew and Gentile believers together as one. How can 1 Peter 2:5-10 not be talking about that? Are there two spiritual houses of...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    We’re the two witnesses from the past?

    Why is it so hard for you to believe that those things could be symbolic within a book where things like a lamb, candlesticks, olive trees, stars, heads, horns, beasts, a dragon, a harlot, many waters, etc. are all symbolic?
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    We’re the two witnesses from the past?

    It isn't just Amils who believe the two witnesses are symbolic. Some Premils believe that as well. The person you replied to is an Amil and he believes they are two individuals. So, being Premil does not mean you have to see the two witnesses as two individuals and being Amil does not mean you...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    The Son of Man returns with and for his people

    When the meaning of certain verses, such as 1 Peter 2:9, is being discussed do you ever read the surrounding verses for context and do you ever take other scripture into consideration? 1 Peter 2:5 As you come to him, the living Stone—rejected by humans but chosen by God and precious to him— 5...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    A question about the rapture

    Based on what I have seen happening in recent years, I think it may have. There is no way of knowing for certain, I suppose, but it sure seems like a good number of people are falling away from the faith and that wickedness is increasing. The increase in wickedness and the falling away go hand...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    A question about the rapture

    This is not right. The gathering to Christ referenced in 2 Thessalonians 2:1 is the same gathering to Christ referenced in 1 Thessalonians 4:17. There is no basis whatsoever for thinking otherwise.
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    A question about the rapture

    That is not the context of what Jesus was talking about. He was not saying to pray that you will die before it happens. LOL. The context was that we should pray to escape it if it happens while we are alive. Who said that I can't define it? Not me. I believe when He said "heaven and earth will...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    A question about the rapture

    How did I twist your words exactly? I certainly was not intending to do that. Maybe I misunderstood something you said. It happens. So, just tell me how I misrepresented your view without assuming I was purposely twisting your words. I have no reason to do that. I don't know what you are...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    A question about the rapture

    Have you looked closely to see what it is exactly that we should pray to escape? Is it things that will happen for 7 years during a future tribulation period? Or something else? Let's look at the text to find out. Luke 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. 34...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    A question about the rapture

    Obviously, you're being sarcastic here since you're an Amil. Yeah, "everybody knows this". Right. I don't know if/when he or she will respond to my post, so I'll just show now what the reason was for asking that question for the benefit of anyone who believes in a pre-trib rapture. 2...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    A question about the rapture

    Where is this taught in scripture? Do you believe the following verse will happen when the rapture occurs? 2 Thessalonians 1:10 on the day he comes to be glorified in his holy people and to be marveled at among all those who have believed. This includes you, because you believed our testimony...
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    A question about the rapture

    Why would you assume that 2 Thess 2:1 is about a pre-trib rapture? Is there more than one future "coming of our Lord Jesus Christ"? No. That is not taught in scripture. What verse 3 means is that before the rapture, which will occur at "the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ", first a falling away...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    The gods of amil.

    What makes you think that I haven't dropped it? I made that post a week ago and you might notice that I haven't posted in this thread since. You're acting as if I've been pestering you to reply to that post. I actually had forgotten about it, so your assumption that I haven't dropped it...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    The Covering Dynamic

    One example would be the two witnesses described in Revelation 11. We're given some information about them, but not told the exact identity and not told specifically if they are two individuals or if they symbolically represent something besides two literal individual witnesses. Another example...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    The Covering Dynamic

    You're always expecting me to answer your questions and address your points before you address mine. First, can you tell me if you think Jeremiah 31:35-37 has any relation at all to Jeremiah 31:31-34 or do you think he completely changed the subject in verse 35?
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    The Covering Dynamic

    What about the cases where we're not told exactly what something means and not told specifically if the text is literal or symbolic? How do you go about understanding those scriptures?
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    The Covering Dynamic

    Well, I think it does address it in an indirect way since I believe the meaning of Jeremiah 31:35-37 fits the context of the meaning of Jeremiah 31:31-34. In other words, I see no reason to think that Jeremiah 31:35-37 has nothing at all to do with what is written in Jeremiah 31:31-34. Are you...