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LOL. You speak like a child. Blah blah blah. You say things as if they make sense, but you make no sense at all. And, you take things out of context like you do with 1 Thess 4:16. Paul was not giving the order of resurrections there, he was giving the order of events in relation to believers...

That is what Premils typically do. Why, I don't know. It's a terrible approach to interpreting scripture. The foundation of our doctrine should be based on literal, straightforward scripture and our understanding of highly symbolic scripture like the book of Revelation should be in light of what...

You are being deceptive here. That word (zao) is not a word that is used to specifically refer to a resurrection. Look at how it is used elsewhere in scripture. It's always used to described someone being alive or living their life. That word was not being used in Revelation 1:18 to describe His...

LOL. I can't take you seriously. Do you ever consider context? The context is in relation to believers and God does pour out His Spirit on all believers because all believers have His Spirit dwelling in them. Peter said "this is that", as in this that was happening long ago on the day of...

Yes, it means all. But, which Israel is Paul talking about there? He had previously referenced two different Israels. Romans 9:6 It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s...

LOL. Whatever you say. If you don't want to accept a clear reference to the heavens and the earth in 2 Peter 3 as being a reference to the actual, literal heavens and earth, that's your choice. That is a lie. I have shown how the NT interprets the OT, which you do not do at all. For example, I...

That's what I've always thought the typical pretribber believed, but I'm just wondering if that is not actually the case or not. I think it probably is. It seems that this forum has a lot of people who have atypical beliefs. Hmmm.... ;)

How is that possible when Peter related something that happens after that to what was happening on the day of Pentecost? Joel 2:28 “And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions. 29...

Thanks. Honestly, I think I'm glad you didn't see it. ;) Thanks for your response, but you already know that I completely disagree with this and you know why. So, I'm not going to say any more about it here.

I actually agree with this and, yet, your doctrine blatantly contradicts what is written about the day of the Lord in the New Testament. Which you don't seem to care about at all. You should reconsider whether the OT passages you think are about the day of the Lord are actually about that...

Do you have any understanding of what I'm asking about? Have you actually read what I've said? What you quoted is in relation to what happens AFTER the tribulation, not before (Matt 24:29-31). My question is in relation to signs occurring before a supposed pre-trib rapture, not signs related to...

You know I disagree with this nonsense, so I don't know why you are telling me this. But, it's besides the point I'm making, anyway. My understanding is that pretribs normally don't believe there are any signs that precede the rapture because they believe it can be at any moment. But...

Where did Jesus indicate that we should watch for these things before a rapture that occurs BEFORE the tribulation? Look at these two passages: Luke 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and...

Why does it seem arbitrary to you when I went above and beyond to show you how I interpret Romans 9:6-8. I broke the passage down in detail and showed which parts I believe are talking about national Israel and which are talking about spiritual Israel and I explained why. Yet, here you are...

Give me a break. Are you willing to humble yourself and admit that you were wrong to accuse me of being an extreme literalist? The fact of the matter is I take some scripture literally and some figuratively just like we all do. I don't ever click on external links or watch videos that people...

He was not giving himself the title of "Father", which is the point. Keep up your desperate attempts to get around the fact that Jesus said not to give anyone the title of "Father" except for God the Father if you want, but these are very weak arguments that I can't take seriously.

What do you think we are supposed to watch for? You didn't really address my question, though. Isn't it normally the case that pre-tribs believe that the rapture can occur at any moment without any signs preceding it? The pre-tribs in this thread are coming across as though they believe there...

You have way too high of an opinion of how convincing you think your arguments are. They are always very weak. What we're talking about here is addressing someone with the title "Father". That verse (1 Cor 4:15) has NOTHING to do with Paul expecting people to address him as "Father". Please...

Because that is what is indicated in the New Testament. Have you heard of it?

I'm just shaking my head over here. We might as well be speaking in different languages. Is that supposed to matter to me? It doesn't. We all, of course, can define Israel however we want. Yeah. So? Well, now you know the feeling since you've misrepresented me several times. It came across...