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Follow the order. The Saved and Born Again ARE the Converted. The Converted ARE the members of Christ's Church. Correct, Christ's Church, the Saved, the Converted ARE NOT appointed to WRATH. Wrath is a consequence for Rejecting the Lord God....really? You are confused God should be angry and...

I'm not.

Read your own question. You asked for the view of a "non osas" person. That is not me.

Been there...naturally born in sin...ie Against God. Been there...forgiven of my sin of Disbelief Against God. Been there...cleansed by the Blood of Jesus. I was never, UNDER Mosaic LAW. Hebrews and Tribesmen WERE (and some still are, UNDER Mosaic LAW). Under Mosaic LAW, SIN ...Was and Is...

If you require the words, "there shall be a pre-tribulation rapture"... no, those words are not in Scripture. If you comprehend... 1 Thes 5 [9] For "God hath not appointed us to wrath," but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ... I have obtained Salvation by my Lord Jesus Christ. I am...

ERROR. Christ's Church ARE the SAVED. (We always get a preview, a foreshadow, of Prophecy before Prophecy's fulfillment.) As in the days of Noah, and Wrath and Tribulation and Destruction upon the Earth...the SAVED (Noah and his family were forewarned and prepared themselves according to Gods...

No Pre-Trib Rapture, The Church Will Be Present On Earth To See The Tribulation And Second Coming OP ^ False.

* Confess ones belief in Jesus Christ... Amen! And on the flip side...what is a confessed believer forgiven for? * The Sin against God of having NOT BELIEVED. And why, ONCE a man IS "changed" by Gods "POWER" and marvelous WORKS, the man is freed from SIN, and can SIN no more. 1 John 3:9 Can a...

You should ask one who does not believe in OSAS for their perspective. Glory to God, Taken

The question is WHAT, not HOW. Christian initiation...IS WHAT exactly? Christian ritual...IS WHAT exactly? Christian baptism...IS WHAT exactly?

Yet again you failed to answer the questions. Post # 582.

You did not adequately answer your "christian baptism initation ritual." You did not anwer who performs the work of justification of a faithful man. Difficult to have a conversation with you, when you cannot express what your claims mean.

What is "the holy church"? Where in Scripture DID Jesus establish a Title for any Disciple or Apostle or other man; of "papa", "father" or of pope (Italian for "father") Why was Peter Titled "pope", without his knowledge?

Vague answer. Please explain James 2: [24] Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. WHO is doing the WORK of Justifying? God or Man?

Cherry picking.... absolutely! All Scripture is TRUE...However NOT ALL Scripture applies to Every Person....THUS, what Applies IS Applied, what Does NOT Apply IS NOT Applied. Cherry Picking...modern term. Scripture Term...Dividing the Word of Truth. 2 Tim 2: [15] Study to shew thyself approved...

God GIVES A TASTE OF HIS Gift of Faith ... "FOR" HEARING HIS WORD. THE LISTENER, CAN taste His Word, Believe it, and Eat it, Hunger for more of His Word, or reject it. ^ THAT is NOT receiving Salvation. ^ THAT IS receiving a measure (TASTE) of Gods Word. Should a man INCREASE Hearing Gods...

Never heard of your "new version of OSAS". Where did you come up with this...---->?

Already went over the Order of Baptism. * What are you calling the "real baptism" ? Already went over Faith of a man and Works of God, God performs IN a man, who Confesses his faith. Glory to God, Taken

Need? Probably so, to fulfill Prophecy. 2 Thes 2: [4] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God , or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Primarily, Jews remaining under Mosaic Law, are still Waiting for...

The common denominator IS WATER! A new covenant was being introduced. * Hebrews and Tribesmen repeatedly Offered Animal Blood for the remission of Sins. ^ That became corrupt. * John Baptised with Water for the remission of sin. Handy, since; ...Animal Blood tradition had become corrupt...