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So you mean that really, ultimately, we rely upon our own efforts supposedly to remain saved? I cannot believe that. It has to be all of grace, or not at all.

Those who do not continue in the faith were never in it. We don't rely on us 'keeping it up', but it's God's grace working in us He is "able to save" (Hebrews 7.25). He is "able to keep" (Jude 24).

John's First Epistle speaks of the mighty assurance available to the true believer.

Jude declares that despite abounding apostasy He is able to keep (Jude 24).

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If they fall and are lost, they were never believers in the first place, Biblically speaking.

@"ByGrace" A while ago you said: Well, it's what young ladies do now. Some would say that rather than fighting against the idea, better just to embrace it.

I do not see your extrapolation as logical. Where the Father and the Son send the Holy Spirit (in John's Gospel), they are not sending themselves but Another Person. Where the Son goes to the Father, He is not going to Himself, but to the Father, Another Person.

John's First Epistle has very strong content about assurance of faith. Romans 8.38-39 is hard to argue against.

Young ppl really should be advised to use a tattoo parlor, and be aware of the consequences of not going to the parlor to do it.

Ephesians 2.9 does not contradict James; what James is saying is that if there is no evidence of faith, it's dead.

I do love the King James.

In those days it was nearly always men who got tattoos. Now in North America even more women than men get them (often in family and faith themes). I do think there is a lot of potential for faith based designs and for tattoo artist careers for Christian young men and women today.

...except maybe when it comes to tattoos... (I do think faith based / Bible verse tattoos have a lot of potential.)

Great verses; I think they come over particularly well in the King James.

@"ByGrace" and @Lady Crosstalk : Thanks for the 'likes'.

Indeed; and so many young preachers have benefited from the Scripture record of this Paul - Timothy relationship.

To some extent it's about what you have been accustomed to in the past; whereas your daughters whose ink you said you admire will have always been accustomed to women being tattooed widely and confidently. (Does this make any sense?)

In terms of Hebrews 11, the recurring phrase is indeed 'by faith'...'by faith', that deliverance came.

The grace of God in the Gospel is a most wondrous topic. One can see how the ascription of praise at the end of Ephesians 3 is stimulated by Paul's sense of deep appreciation and wonder at the grace of God in Christ.