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2 Thessalononians 2.7 is often taken to refer to the Holy Spirit: "He who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way."

@Lady Crosstalk FYI: Here's the quote: forums dot thewelltrainedmind dot com

Matthew undoubtedly has a strong, Jewish background. It begins with an earthly genealogy, suggestive of close identification with an earthly people, Israel, whereas Ephesians strongly stresses the heavenly identity of the church, for example.

In some cases as with a lot of things there may be rebellion involved. I think you'll agree that both genders do it more confidently now, right? and a lot of Christians use the means for witness/Bible verse designs. I saw a quote from the Bible Belt about how prevalent it is.

YW. :)

Verse 21 of Matthew 24: "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."

We had a dumping overnight...

It would seem also that the Great Tribulation passage in Matthew 24 does not refer to the church as we know it today...

Well, now we are already into the second half of February...

Again, Sir, 60s is positively sub-tropical, compared with all the ice up here... :)

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Muscular young people, then.... Better in the warmer weather, I expect...

Well, you guys must be near Minnesota, which by reputation gets a lot of snow. I take your point about Florida! :)

"All of grace, yes, grace surpassing Such a portion to bestow, But the love, all knowledge passing Grace has taught us now to know. Love that bore the stripes and sorrow, Love that suffered on the tree, Love that shares the bright tomorrow With the loved ones, you and me."

@Preacher4Truth FYI, so any wisdom for us, Sir, on this thread?

"I waited patiently for the Lord; and he inclined unto me, and heard my cry. 2 He brought me up also out of an horrible pit, out of the miry clay, and set my feet upon a rock, and established my goings. 3 And he hath put a new song in my mouth, even praise unto our God: many shall see it, and...

@Preacher4Truth FYI... thread I started.

It this were so, it wouldn't be grace would it? Salvation is on the basis of grace, not supposed "rights".

Up here it's a public holiday today...

@Lady Crosstalk FYI, another thread started; any wisdom for us on this?