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You say "Rapture Theory"... 1 Thes 4 [17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Scripture is clear: The Phrase in Scripture is clear; CAUGHT UP... Are you teaching you...

The gospel has already been revealed. It is written. It is preached. It is talked about in general conversation. Then they have heard, and elected to NOT continue hearing, NOT read, NOT put for an effort, but made an election to reject. All will have heard. All will have made their choice...

WHO is us ?? Jews? Gentiles? Followers of Jesus? Believers in God only? Believers in God and Christ? Unbelievers? The Converted in Christ? He ~ Jesus The Disciples ~ Specifically Jesus' own chosen Disciples....(not the rest of the other men following Jesus' teachings). FIRST CLUE...Jesus...

PRE TRIBULATION RAPTURE <---> OP YES, Applicable "for" the "PRE" prepared! ARE 'you' PRE - prepared? ARE 'you' Forgiven...OF Christ? ARE 'you' Bodily Dead....IN Christ? ARE 'you' Soul Restored...BY Christ? ARE 'you" Spirit Quickened...BY Christ? IF 'you' ARE; then you ARE Converted..IN...

You are saying...Bodies are being TRANSPORTED to Earth to reign with Jesus in His Earthly Kingdom. Nothing says, Bodies that Become Converted, DURING the Tribulation....LEAVE THE EARTH! I agree, you do not. You yourself have already admitted to referencing Scripture that you do not believe...

No. I believe the Lord shall descend from heaven to the clouds.... And His Church shall rise up to Meet Him in the Air. I believe the Lords SECOND Coming is specifically TO EARTH. Your comment makes no sense. Transported to where He is, at His Return? At His RETURN, He will be ON Earth. So...

Agree Disagree. Day and Hour, Yes a hidden mystery. Last Trump, I would say is a Resurrection of Bodies, that : Came into belief IN Christ During the: SEALS and TRUMPS and: were Bodily Killed During those Days; Because They refused the Mark of the Beast, and Instead Confessed their Belief...

Let me clarify my response to your comment. You are saying No Rapture. I disagree. You are saying To Heaven. I agree. Those Raptured Are Not Caught Up To Heaven. "REAL" Biblical Proof? I would disagree with you. Rather that there is "REAL" knowledge given In Scriptures; and I TRUST to...

Point being ~ much knowledge is given in Scripture that has application to Spiritual things....mankind does an excellent job of mucking up knowledge and understanding. Glory to God, Taken

I have to disagree with you on this point. Elaborating... God is Light. God is Truth. Anyone Hearing about Him, IS being Enlightened of God, and His Truth. That is Worldly "influence". "Age of Enlightenment"....AS IF...only men of philosophical fortitude can be accomplished thinkers...

No problem. And BTW got your drift... Mystical "enlightenment" VS "Gods Spiritual Enlightenment". Glory to God, Taken

Pretrib rapture a fable? Disagree. Rapture "to Heaven"? Agree. Glory to God, Taken

Facinating. John 3:6... Born of the spirit... And... Anyone have a clue what are the "multiple definitions" Marymog is talking about? Glory to God, Taken

Agree. Baby baptism was not taught because Babies can not confess the belief in their heart. And neither can the babies parents confess what is the belief in a babies heart. Nor is it taught a priest knows the belief in a Babies heart. Scripture clearly teaches only God and the individual...

That is funny coming from you. Glory to God, Taken

LOL ~ This is priceless coming from you. Glory to God, Taken

Marymog ~ Thank you for confirming your Catholic belief is: How people receive Jesus' Baptism of the Holy Spirit, is by water Baptism. Is: You can not verify your belief with Scripture. Is: Your belief is confirmed by some theologians you can not identify or quote them. Is; You also have some...

EXACTLY WHEN I TRUSTED TO BELIEVE SCRIPTURE! Oh Mary....that would be a claim OUT OF YOUR MOUTH....I said NO SUCH THING. How ignorant can one be....?? I have NO REQUIREMENT to Answer FOR WHAT COMES OUT OF YOUR MOUTH! Glory to God, Taken