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Thanks to all who voted so far in the poll! If you have not already voted in the poll, please vote now! :)

Nice post; thanks. Clearly you did it thoughtfully and carefully without regrets; and like you say it can become an effective talking point with others. So would you be completely done inking now?

No prob. :)

Shows the great value and importance of prayerfully feeding on God's Word day by day.

@Dave L There are even the Lord Jesus' own words in John 14: 'I will come again, and receive you unto myself'. The question also arises: Who will be 'caught up'? a heavenly people or an earthly one?

PS: @stunnedbygrace Be assured anyway that a great preacher like C H Spurgeon smoked; even after being publicly called out on it. He apparently had gout, and it gave him relief.

I don't understand the term 'Old Testament church'. The church began at Pentecost; it is a revealed mystery, as Ephesians says.

You inhale or not as the case may be before God, and not before quietthinker, right?

@Mayflower ; FYI: did you see this thread and poll? and did you manage to stay away from cigarettes, with your being a mom to your precious child? :)

Glad you managed to avoid it; and glad your sister managed to quit! (do you remember how many years it was before she eventually quit?)

I do think these verses refer to the church. There are many things that will still happen on earth. But it would seem logical that if it is the church AND Israel that is supposedly in view in these verses, then we would all have to look for what must first happen on earth - tribulation, etc. -...

Hi; good to see you.

Hi, Naomi25: I suppose an iron sharpens iron question about 1 Thessalonians 4 would be: To whom does 'we that are alive and remain shall be caught up' refer: to Israel? to the church?

On the specific subject of the thread, C H Spurgeon happened to come to a different conclusion.

Yes, indeed; and of course with the church being a revealed mystery and a heavenly people, while Israel and Old Testament passages relating more to Israel as an earthly people, it is the role of Israel as a channel of blessing to all nations on earth that these passages seem to have as their...

Excellent sentiment! :)

Excuse me; I don't smoke. It's @stunnedbygrace who is the smoker and she has indicated that she has a clear conscience; so who made either you or me lords over her conscience?

Great verse there from Ephesians! Trusting Mrs. Amadeus is having a restful and more comfortable evening now.