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I’m not asking you to accept any speculation. I’m asking you to follow the narrative logic in Luke. You asked for two things, so let me answer both directly from the text. 1. “Prove with the text what Mary expected.” The text itself shows Mary expected normal marital relations with Joseph: She...

You’re misunderstanding the point I’m making. I’m not claiming Mary didn’t know the timing. I’m saying that under your own position — where Mary expects future marital relations with Joseph — conception is entirely possible under Her expected future circumstances. If conception is possible...

You’re attributing claims to me that I haven’t made and then arguing against those instead of the actual textual issue I raised. You say I “created an ‘if‑future’ narrative of WHEN,” but that “WHEN isn’t my point.” The “if‑future” is not something I invented—it’s your own position: you (and...

Interesting that you deny any tension, yet your own answers haven’t even remained consistent. First you said Mary was only referring to Her present circumstances: “She wasn’t making some statement based on Her never having relations in the future… She was simply saying She has never been with...

Your explanation doesn’t match the text or your own position. You say: “She expected relations with Joseph but wanted to know HOW this would result in the birth of the Messiah.” But that is not what Mary asks. Mary does not ask: “How will this child be the Messiah?” “How will Joseph’s son...

Your explanation only works if Mary believed She would never have sexual relations. But your own position is that She did expect future marital relations with Joseph. Under that expectation, conception was entirely possible — so Her natural question would be “When?” not “How?” “How?” is a...

You’re responding to a claim I never made. I’m not arguing that Mary believed She would never know a man. I’m saying that according to your own position, Mary expected future marital relations with Joseph — and therefore conception was entirely possible under Her expected future circumstances...

So far, every response has avoided the textual question I’m actually asking. The arguments offered address questions I never raised, or reframe my point into something I did not claim.

You’re responding to a claim I never made. I’m not arguing that Mary believed She would never know a man. I’m saying that according to your own position, She expected future marital relations with Joseph — and therefore conception would have been entirely possible under Her expected future...

I understand you’re asserting there is no narrative tension. But simply denying it doesn’t resolve the textual issues I’ve raised. The tension comes directly from the text itself: Mary asks “How will this be?” — a mechanism question She explains it with “since I do not know a man” — an idiom...

But none of this addresses the textual point I’m raising. You’re asserting “She doesn’t,” “No,” and “Your speculation,” but you’re not engaging the actual argument or the narrative logic in Luke. Mary’s question is recorded as: “How will this be, since I do not know a man?” That is a mechanism...

I’ve already explained why your replies don’t resolve the textual issues I raised. But thank you for engaging the discussion.

You’re making a theological leap that the text itself doesn’t support. Hebrews 6 isn’t a “commentary on the church in Jerusalem,” and it certainly isn’t a historical analysis of institutional decline. It’s a warning about apostasy directed at individual believers — not a declaration that the...

The idiom “I do not know a man” doesn’t require any special translation. It’s a standard biblical expression for sexual relations in general, not merely a present‑tense description of the moment. The tense doesn’t change the idiom’s meaning — it’s how the phrase functions everywhere it appears...

The issue I’m raising isn’t about perpetual virginity, and it doesn’t depend on any Catholic doctrine. It’s a narrative question inside Luke’s text. Mary’s wording creates a specific interpretive problem: She responds to Gabriel’s announcement with “How will this be, since I do not know a man?”...

You’re repeating the claim that Mary is only referring to Her present virginity, but that doesn’t resolve the narrative tension. A virgin asking how She will conceive only makes sense if conception is impossible under Her expected future circumstances. If She anticipates normal marital...

I’m not asking for Scripture to satisfy my logic — I’m asking for Scripture to be read on its own terms. Luke presents Mary’s question as a response to the angel’s announcement, and the wording matters. The narrative gives us a specific line: “How will this be, since I do not know a man?” That...

You’re shifting away from the historical points I raised and into personal dismissals. Saying you have “no interest in hearing” a perspective doesn’t answer any of the evidence about how the early Church actually functioned. And the Eucharist isn’t a side issue or a shock tactic — it’s simply...

You’re not actually engaging with anything I said. I’ve given historical and scriptural reasons for my position, and instead of addressing them, you’re shifting to personal remarks about what I “should already know.” If you don’t want to discuss the history or the theology, that’s fine. But...

But the present tense does not resolve the issue. Mary’s use of the idiom “I do not know man” refers to sexual relations in general, not merely Her present moment. The tense does not change the idiom’s meaning. More importantly, the narrative logic still stands: If Mary expected future...