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@David in NJ And you for your 1553 et al.

According to Jesus, the opposite would occur: Matthew 21 43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. 44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind...

There's no reason for me to read it, and that's not the process for inclusion in a safe zone. Check with admin.

Bro. MacArthur appears to have overlooked a few things. The Church and the 144,000 Revelation 7:3-4 describe the 144,000 as “sealed.” That description is reserved in the NT for believers in Christ – His Body and Bride – His Church: 2 Corinthians 1:21-22 Now He who establishes us with you in...

Yes, "all Israel" as defined and described by Paul. Also defined and described by Paul here: Galatians 4 28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. Jew and Gentile believers in Christ in Galatia, and everywhere they were and are found. AKA His Church.

Hi Marilyn, Paul has previously identified "all Israel" for us. Two Israels. Romans 9 6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed...

Hi Marilyn, How do you interpret that?

For some reason you don't recognize that the grammar points to the only Prince in the passage. Messiah the Prince.

Adam Clarke: The abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel - This abomination of desolation, St. Luke, (Luke 21:20, Luke 21:21), refers to the Roman army; and this abomination standing in the holy place is the Roman army besieging Jerusalem; this, our Lord says, is what was spoken of by...

I don't disagree with those; but when the Judaean Christians physically witnessed the Roman armies advancing on Jerusalem, they recognized them as the "abomination of desolation" of which Jesus had warned years previously, and they acted upon that warning, and fled, and survived. If they had...

No need for sorry, bro; we agree on much more than we disagree on. But I'm mystified as to why you don't consider Matthew 24:15 and Luke 21:20 to illuminate and interpret each other. Dispensational futurists don't; but you're not a dispensational futurist.

Daniel 9 24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Who...

Yes, there's no question that the desolation of Jerusalem was judgment for Israel's spiritual rebellion, unfaithfulness, disobedience, and apostasy. Not according to the specific Scriptural definitions and descriptions of "abomination of desolation" in Daniel, Matthew, and Luke. But yes, the...

The grammatical referent of "prince" in verse 26 is "Messiah the Prince" in verse 25. His people who destroyed the city and sanctuary were both the Roman armies and the Jewish Zealots. All of the events of 70 AD were under the ultimate command and control of Messiah the Prince.

Please respond to post 235.

The Judaean Christians physically saw the abomination of desolation i.e. the physical Roman armies, physically heeded the warning Jesus had physically issued years previously, physically fled, and physically survived. The Judaean Christian Church would not have physically survived otherwise.

But it is "abomination of desolation" that we're seeking to understand, not simply "abomination". The meaning of abomination in the former expression is vastly different from its meaning as a standalone word. Is there any Scripture you can cite which unequivocally identifies the Crucifixion as...

And thanks in return to you. To me, it is completely logical and reasonable that Jesus would define and illuminate what by itself is arcane and obscure. Thus, He provided interpretive edification, via the parallel synoptic verse of Luke 21:20, to define and illuminate the "abomination of...

Your 70th week is still unfulfilled. :laughing: Messiah's isn't.

Both Matthew 24:15 and Luke 21:20 are the faithfully reproduced inspired Words of Jesus. Neither verse refers to the crucifixion, but together they refer to and identify the abomination of desolation, which was the Roman armies that desolated Jerusalem in 70 AD.