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1 wrath ALWAYS HAS TRIBULATION. EVERY SINGLE TIME. SEE this is how we know you are confusing trib and wrath. There was no reason for Jesus to consult anyone on if he could call the 7 yr tribulation something else. Jesus had no reason to make it fit your doctrine. Matt 24 is in fact the coming...

"""Additionally...........the woman, Israel, that has fled to a place of protection prepared for her will be on earth during the wrath of God. But they won't experience wrath""" Again you do not understand Trib Wrath Jewish gathering Or Rev 14. The woman ushered to safety is during the first...

Ok 1) you do no include and do not understand first fruits.( 144 JEWISH FIRSTFRUITS) You are not aware that we would have to have a JEWISH MAIN HARVEST????? How can so many not actually read Rev 14?????? 2) Rev 14 IN NO WAY fits you " all the tribes shall mourn, and Jesus coming in great...

Show me the trib period that Noah was in. The ac The horsemen. Etc. Remember Jesus words with Lot and Noah. NORMAL LIFE COMMERCE NO TRIBULATION. PSSSSST...you need a horrible supernatural tribulation period DURING AND BEFORE noah enters ark. That is your model and Jesus destroys it. All...

Jesus is not gathering. Jesus not in the picture of the gathering. Jesus is in the picture AFTER THE GATHERING. So there is no rapture in those verses you posted. Zero

Truth carries condemnation. Jesus taught that concept. All false doctrine has a destination. I am here to point that out. If someone is searching and engages me, then they can be guided. If the are in here TEACHING LIES WITH SOME AUTHORITY, they are met with the 2 edged sword of the bible...

Ok, read closely. It clearly says Angeles are gathering from heaven. What is missing is Jesus is not in that picture. It is angel's gathering in heaven which supports the pre-trib rapture the saints are already in heaven and the angels gather them to mount the white horses after the...

Show me Noah and Lot fitting your template. Noah after 3.5 years of a world wide ruler and 4 horseman judgment, with power given to the world wide ruler to destroy Christians, then enters the ark. Same with Lot. You have painted yourself into a corner by claiming the words "wrath" and...

Both sides believe he comes postrib. Only the pretrib rapture verses point to and declare a pretrib rapture. No verses point to a postrib rapture. I have put out challenges for postribbers to make a scriptural argument. They have always answered with cliche's. Trump Trumpet After the trib Day...

Yep I see 3 falsehoods in the thread. 1) ha ha ha...scoff scoff...there is no rapture. 2) the rapture is postrib. ( declared from human minds with no verses) 3) some nut job claiming a rapture date in 2024. All wrong All broken down relics.

A doctrine that by faith ...or just a notion... that the church goes through the trib..with out ANY VERSES???? HUH????

You posted A verse, that declares that Angels gather from heaven after the trib. That points to the obvious pretrib rapture. IOW ANGELS GATHER the saints ALREADY in heaven AFTER the trib to mount millions of white horses. It's hilarious that you just placed the church in heaven during the...

Then Acts 1 is a lie. Your doctrine is just flat out poorly thought out. What will you guys do with rev14????? Tell is the " correct interpretation".

Noah gathered pretrib Lot gathered pretrib Matt24 has one taken one left BEFORE THE FLOOD. Noah never gathered postrib Lot never gathered postrib. The postrib workbook has the one taken one left as half the earth population saved, and half wicked. That is hilarious

The reason you can not answer is because it makes no sense under your poorly presented Pauline false doctrine. IOW you are mentally centered. Mentally saved via sentences. Baptism is a bogey man in your doctrine, and Paul baptized believers. SMH

My point is. He was not saved under ANY PAULINE DOCTRINE. Which you have just affirmed. Which is OPPOSITE Pauline doctrine. Pauline's claim salvation ONLY THROUGH PAULs doctrine. THAT IS your message.

After salvation. Doctrine AFTER SALVATION. YOU have it backwards. Hyperpauline teaching is doctrine saves. Which you promote

As is Peter and every believer. Paul was NOT saved under ANY PAULINE DOCTRINE. ZERO. It was an encounter with Jesus. Saved with zero doctrine needed.

Do you ever stand up and answer anything???? I asked you if the women of your church obey Paul's ordinances. Now remember...Paul speaks in the same deity as does Jesus according to you. Are the women defying Jesus himself?

This is so false. Why do you make crooked the Bibles path????? HELLO???? WE KNOW FOR A FACT, Paul baptized believers. Now let's see you actually answer. Why did he water baptize???? No fancy dance No deflection No side shows. Address Why Paul water baptized believers