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As far as the Reformers go, I think their belief was almost entirely based on some kind of study of Church history especially Arianism, Nicene Creed, and Nestorius. It is like the saying "being on the right side of history". In a lot of ways, I don't think the Reformers really got the...

lol I think you missed a lot of my point. 1) Namely quibbling over Roman Catholic doctrine, while Protestants can act almost exactly the same way via their own private belief in the will of God via reading this or that passage of the Bible. The former poster basically was dogmatizing his...

Exactly. Well maybe not, if were being picky. Being Truth Incarnate is not the same thing as exorcising a Charism.

Why does "Bible Time" sound like a Fundamentalist Protestant doing his own defacto version of the Assuming the Charism of Infallibility, where he assumes his selective interpretation of a popular translation of scripture is the same thing as channeling the mind of God? Your comment reminds me...

lol yes that is a good one and it does remind me of the double standard of things. Like people complaining about quoting the Church Fathers when their own theology is heavily based on the interpretation of a Magisterial Reformer. On a different yet similar note on the Apologetics front I...

YES! This is really my favorite Biblical message, and technically if you really analyze it there is another thing that is also going on. The strict treatment of the dead in Protestantism actually is defacto creating two Churches, Basically two bodies because they are treated as being...

lol it is funny seeing someone else bring up Alexander Hislop. I agree with you, but I got some leftover Lutheran sympathies when it comes to seeing really ostentatious displays like giant statues of Mary 20+ Feet tall. I have learned some moderate reverence for the saints based on Early...

Wow good presentation Bread!.

Still reading your thread with great interest @Moonwood. I believe there are hints there in the depiction of events in some of the Gospels on the traditional orthodox position of Mary compared to the popular modern Helvidian position of most Evangelicals, Fundamentalists etc. I guess I have...

lol that is ridiculous, the fact you would make this an article of Faith, especially when sex in the Bible was generally a private thing that we would have proof texts on their private relations. There is a name for this type of thinking "the Verbatim Fallacy". Considering this a ridiculous...

Yes, I do not believe in the Helvidian position. Really nobody should that has any background in the Jewish Cultural context of the Bible, especially the Mitzot. or the concept of the sacred, any Godfearing Jew would be afraid to consummate the marriage literally speaking if you actually...

This is an interesting presentation and a little different than what I'm used to. I sort of made a similar kind of argument to an Evangelical woman on a web site in the early 2000s. It always stuck out for me the title "Virgin Mary". It is really funny for people to believe the Helvidian...

@Moonwood on many issues I actually like to point to the notion of "Biblical Holiness", especially when dealing with non-Sacramental Christians. The entire concept of Holiness used in the New Testament comes from the Tabernacle and Temple worship. It literally comes from objects and later...

@Moonwood here is a little tid bit. In talking about the Bible and Biblical interpretation I often cite "the Seven Rules of Hillel" and this actually comes from dealing with a Calvinist citing them almost a quarter of a century ago, explicitly from a Protestant Seminary text book, "The...

Probably one of the biggest examples of the problems with Cessationism, I have even run across...

Yes and no. The basic position of Cessationism I was raised in as a Conservative American Lutheran Evangelical, which was substantitally different from the Augsburg confession of my ancestors is that "Miracles have gone the away" after the days of the Bible. There was no specific talk of...

Yes that is my conclusion. I was super into UFOs as a kid, during the height of Steven Spielburgs "Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind" and a teenager during ET. But I was fortunate after briefly leaving Christianity in my high school and college years to run across Christian Apologist Hugh...

Why do you keep assuming the gifts have ceased when it is not explicitly in the Bible? God could have easily had this be formal doctrine in Christianity with just a little verse being in Revelation, the end of the book of Acts, one of the Pauline epistles but didn't. Lots of people try to...

Well, a more complete answer. A more complete answer on cessationism The popular slogan is that the miraculous gifts “went away with the death of the Apostles.” That is a neat historical theory. It is not an explicit teaching of the New Testament. I am not a cessationist. I also am not a...