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    When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

    Messiah the Prince is first mentioned in verse 25. The people of the prince were the Roman armies who destroyed the city and sanctuary, under the command and control of Messiah the Prince. In the passage, Messiah was both "the Prince" and "the prince". The restoration was completed before...
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    When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

    The PEOPLE of the prince were the PEOPLE of Messiah the Prince, the only individual identified as a prince in the passage. They were the Roman armies, whom He conscripted as His people to bring judgment and desolation upon apostate Israel. They were under the command and control of Messiah...
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    When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

    There is only one individual identified as a prince in Daniel 9:24-27. He is "Messiah the Prince" in verse 25, who is the grammatical antecedent/referent of "the prince that shall come" in verse 26, who is the grammatical antecedent/referent of the "He's" in verse 27. Messiah the Prince did...
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    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    There's no reference to a temple in either Matthew 24:15 or Luke 21:20. Matthew 24:15 refers to "the holy place", and Luke 21:20 identifies it as "Jerusalem", which was known from Biblical antiquity as the holy city. Thus the two verses corroborate one another in identifying the (Roman)...
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    To what does the APOSTASIA refer

    If you don't understand the answer, just leave it for those who do.
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    To what does the APOSTASIA refer

    They don't disagree with Ice's belief in a pretrib rapture. You agree with Ice's false claim that Wycliffe believed in a pretrib rapture. No mystery at all.
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    To what does the APOSTASIA refer

    They believe what Ice T tells them it means. :laughing:
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    To what does the APOSTASIA refer

    Nor have you researched your own. ADD - Avoidance, Distraction, Denial - as expected. Thanks for the confirmations. :laughing:
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    To what does the APOSTASIA refer

    Show us an equivalent Lexicon in which 2 Thes. 2, 3 reflects your opinion. :laughing:
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    To what does the APOSTASIA refer

    Yes, not a mistake. Brother John Wycliffe declares that it's a deliberate misrepresentation.
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    To what does the APOSTASIA refer

    Your Number II above includes neither the Church nor 2 Thessalonians 2:3. But Number II 2 above includes both the Church and 2 Thessalonians 2:3. It describes exactly what Paul meant by the apostasy i.e. the falling away.
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    To what does the APOSTASIA refer

    When you substitute "the rapture" for "the departure", that too is a singular event.
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    To what does the APOSTASIA refer

    The WYC preceded the KJV by more than 200 years. And the WYC defined the departure, that you claim is the rapture, as "dissension". A definition of "discessio," the word used in the Vulgate, is found at this site. Included near the end is a specific ecclesiological subdefinition: "In the...
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    To what does the APOSTASIA refer

    This argument? :laughing: Here is Wycliffe's translation: 2 Thessalonians 2:3 [That] No man deceive you in any manner. For but dissension come first [For no but departing away, or dissension, shall come first], and the man of sin be showed, the son of perdition, Wycliffe defines "departing...
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    To what does the APOSTASIA refer

    John Wycliffe defines your physical departure as "dissension". 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Wycliffe [That] No man deceive you in any manner. For but dissension come first [For no but departing away, or dissension, shall come first], and the man of sin be showed, the son of perdition,
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    To what does the APOSTASIA refer

    Did any pretribber reply to this? I haven't seen it.
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    To what does the APOSTASIA refer

    The suppression/misrepresentation, which persists to this day despite being clearly debunked, is far too obvious to be a mistake. It's deliberate.
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    To what does the APOSTASIA refer

    It's the truth that exposes and humiliates, bro. I merely report it. There's no excuse for the deliberate suppression or misrepresentation of pertinent truth.
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    To what does the APOSTASIA refer

    Here is Wycliffe's translation: 2 Thessalonians 2:3 [That] No man deceive you in any manner. For but dissension come first [For no but departing away, or dissension, shall come first], and the man of sin be showed, the son of perdition, Wycliffe defines "departing away" as dissension. Did you...
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    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    Here is Wycliffe's translation: 2 Thessalonians 2:3 [That] No man deceive you in any manner. For but dissension come first [For no but departing away, or dissension, shall come first], and the man of sin be showed, the son of perdition, Wycliffe defines "departing away" as dissension. Did you...
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