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Because you have no understanding of the Jewish people being brought back and being grafted back in and gathered unto God vividlyillustrated in rom 9,10 and 11. The entirety of the tribulation Is Jacob's trouble ,which is directed directly to the Jewish people that God will regather. his...

Any verses I refer to are immediately cast down and stomped, illustrating your heart and disrespect for God's word.

Lol. Just keep thinking harvest can not possibly be depicted in the Bible through harvest. Just keep telling yourself that. Firstfruits Don't investigate any of that dimension. Wow...even harvest needs modifying in your deal. What a straight Jacket confine the Bible is to you guys. No...

We all see the obvious. Your unpacking of the " before the flood gathering", has the world destroyed at the coming. The Bible has the army of the ac destroyed at the white horse coming. There is no commerce or normal life at the white horse coming. So your deal is way way off. Are you totally...

Is this rapture you are referring to, on white horses?

Wow. You serious??? What do you think " firstfruits " is referring to??? Jesus with a sickle??? Angels telling Jesus " thrust in your sickle and reap" Gather the wheat into the barn?????? Parable of the sower???? Tares gathered and burned????

Normal living. Noah gathered DURING NORMAL LIVING. But I know that severely hurts your deal.

The Bible says the dead in christ rise first. You saying the Bible is wrong?

Your model, if it is postrib rapture, has ZERO COMMERCE for believers, and NO NORMAL LIFE. So keep refraiming that item. That is the only way to wiggle out of what is written. Either change it or omit it. It does SEVERE HARM to your deal...and anyone honestly in study of the word would not do...

It was Jesus that SAID normal life. Take it up with him as it is the Bible I am leading you to go against.

Ahem...." firstfruits " What do you think that word refers to?

@The Light Are you saying 1 thes 4 has two separate events? .... and the dead and " us alive" has a major time lapse between the dead gathered and those ones alive? Two separate comings? If so....I totally disagree

Not with Noah Not with Lot.

Pretty hard to wiggle out of the facts. Noah gathered preflood/ pretrib. Normal life and commerce at that gathering. Noah RETURNS to earth FROM THE HEAVENS. Just omit it. ...as you continue to do. Are you actually aware that you need Noah and Lot removed post trib/ post judgement?? The Noah...

Mat 24:38 " before the flood" ..watch and be ready. Acts 1 " ...this same Jesus shall return in like manner". ( uh that would be only fitting pretrib rapture) Rev 3 : 10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all...

"..He shall send his angels..." (while he stays where he is at) "..and THEY SHALL GATHER..." NOT AT ALL THE RAPTURE. Eschatology centers on the bride and the bridegroom. The groom Gathering the bride. That is what the Rapture is. It's not a Doctrine about the tribulation . it's not what is the...

In the amil shreader along with half the bible

Again...no verses as usual

You just quoted Jesus as saying after the tribulation that angels will gather the elect from heaven. That is not Jesus Gathering believers from Earth. So do you believe the words of Jesus that after the tribulation the church already in heaven is gathered to get onto the White Horses by the...