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You may as well talk to a telephone pole as to talk with these Bible torturers. I never seen such Bible butchery in my entire life. Jehovah witness hamster wheel Bible butchers come to mind. SMH.

Watch Pinocchio. A clue is in there for you

You did not address it. " I give 4 or 5 verses. Then the kookoo response: " you make claims and don't back them up with scripture" Nobody here is going to take your lies seriously. SMH

Your challenge earlier to Doug that there are no "after effects" QUOTE "There are no survivors in 1 Thessalonians 4:14-5. None shall escape." Where in eschatology are there no survivors? 2nd coming?...nope Rapture? Nope Gathering of the Jews? Nope. What does your doctrine say?

But please show us the SPECIFIC CHANGES as per your doctrine. 1) "...DESTRUCTION AS cometh upon them as A WOMAN TRAVAILS WITH CHILD. 2) vs 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. Show all modifications you need in those verses. I will wait.

1) 1 thes 5 2) The innumerable number martyred after the pretrib rapture 3) the 5 foolish virgins left behind 4) the ones left behind after the preflood gathering.

3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of...

3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the...

Thank you for a thoughtful post.

Nope Pure lies and you know it. Stop lying

Ok thanks. Just letting you know my overall position. ...which obviously you trample and don't care about. I am not really interested in talking to you either.

Yes if someone is amil or preterest, I need a heads up. Otherwise I am at a disadvantage thinking I am on board with their position. When in actuality I tend to leave those two categories to their own discussion. ( grand canyon leaps are a waste of time, and most have such a huge investment in...

Yes you are No I am not. Try again.

My position is based on pre-trib Rapture verses. And that position is based on the gathering of the bride to heaven So I am Bride / groom centered. The gathering of the bride. The Bible ends with the bride calling on the groom to come fetch her. That is my overview. Your turn.

Thank you for bringing clarity. They lead people down a hamster wheel of opposition not being clear of their erroneous position. Amil deserves its own thread. Without knowing their position, and them being stealth about it, it is a glorified troll dynamic, as once someone adopts amil, or...

Can you talk like a man,? If so let's debate.

SI has gone total ghetto mode. It is comical imagining him at a podium and cussing and screaming when someone challenges his error. " OK ladies and gentlemen, we will go to a commercial, as we sort this out" ...all the time he is screaming in the background...

I think you need a break, before you completely get undone. Whew.

Enough said. Every post of yours is now trashy ghetto juvenile nothing-ness. As you demonstrate manfully..