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When they are counted 2 separate ways. To vividly illustrate who they are and their number, it would be an act of desperation to muddy it up from it's literal meaning.

Who are the 144k.? Say who they are as presented in scripture without changing what is written. Dont reject what is written. Say who they are,and what ethnic tribes they are from.

You just showcased a race of God's people letting in those outside that race of God's people.

In order for this to have any Merit whatsoever, you'd have to prove somehow in Scripture that God never takes his people out, which is pure bologna. The baby Jesus was taken away . the parents fled with Jesus to Egypt to escape the wrath . it says in Matthew let him that's on a rooftop not come...

Ironically we do agree with them that there is a post-wrath coming of Jesus. But it is so weird that they don't have any post Wrath Rapture verses. Not a single one. And I suppose it's their desperation, that says ,"show me a pre-trib Rapture in Revelation". I can't even repeat their...

It reads exactly like that. A Rapture mid trib. In Revelation 14. That's the difference between us. I read the word of God and I report exactly what it says.

We address you directly. Leave your deal in ashes Your comeback is " avoidance," SMH

In " before the flood" of mat 24 In " like manner" of Acts 1 In " the gathering of the bride" in mat 25 In Rev 14 gathering with a sickle. NONE OF THOSE PRETRIB GATHERINGS HAS ANY JUDGEMENT. Scoreboard reads: " rebuilder 4" "WPM 0"

You have no verses. As you just demonstrated.

The Four Horsemen kickoff the Great Tribulation. The rise of the Antichrist is right away. The Bible says he kills every man woman and child where they're free or Bond that refuses the mark. There is no such of a thing as any postribber running around trying to save their lives with the...

He said a few posts back we are in the great tribulation. Some of these postribbers are way,way,way out there. Grand canyon leaps that actually need their own thread.

We do see one DURING THE TRIB. AHEM...that alone destroys your deal. Which is why you avoid it.

I am not the one re inventing " firstfruits" So you definately have no idea what you are talking about.

...as you have demonstrated about yourself concerning your posts

No verses Just speculation

QUOTE ""YOU think those who are left somehow survive Christ's second coming, while I do not. How many who were left out of the ark survived the flood? None"" The ones left behind, are martyred. Jesus said( inspite of your misunderstanding) that half of a group are taken/left behind. That group...

Really??? You are unaware of what Jesus is??? Firstfruits of the resurrection????. Wow. Then you try to misrepresent what we are??? ( firstfruits of " His creatures" DIRECTLY REFERRING TO REBIRTH) OK FOLKS..this is what I am talking about. He found " firstfruits" in the Bible. And without...

this is for you

Yes. The Bible projects. Postribbers can not agree with it. *Jesus declares *You say no. *.......Repeat

Whooda thought "firstfruits" would refer to a harvest, or that " firstfruits" PRECEDES MAIN HARVEST. Some of your stuff is thoughtful. But the omissions part is glaring friend.