Search results

  • Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.

    You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

  1. S

    Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

    Well, it could be, but it goes deeper than just a fully natural event. We don't know if satellites will still be working at that time, or even technology. There is more to that verse. Revelation 1:7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all...
  2. S

    UK govt now giving migrants "don't r_pe women and children guide"

    Outrageous, bad as Sweden producing ads to muslim men about how when swedish women says no it means no sex with them is allowed, against their will.
  3. S

    Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

    We need to be grounding the return of Christ in its proper, supernatural context, and hit the absolute nail on the head: Christ's return is not bound by human physics, local horizons, or the curvature of the earth. Reducing a cosmic, divine manifestation to a local line-of-sight calculation...
  4. S

    Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

    Funny but a secret departure is what Christ did when He ascended, as the world was not a witness of that.... But when He comes a second time, He comes visibly to all. The pre-trib people have flipped things upside down, with their secret coming of Christ and rapture. 1. "Every Eye Will See...
  5. S

    Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

    Every eye sees His return, globally, at the same time, this is a miraculous event. All the tribes of the earth mourn because of they are seeing Him come back. He comes in glory and authority at the right hand of the Father; nothing is impossible with God; the return of Christ is not a natural...
  6. S

    Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

    You bring out a mathematical formula for the horizon of a physical lightning bolt, but you missed the entire point of the metaphor. Jesus was contrasting false, hidden claims ('He's in the inner rooms') with a brilliant flash that lights up the sky. More importantly, Matthew 24:30 states that...
  7. S

    Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

    The point made about who is watching is crucial: Jesus told His disciples on earth to watch for an event that He explicitly places after the tribulation, complete with cosmic signs and the gathering of the elect (Mark 13:24–27). If the Church was already snatched away years earlier in secret...
  8. S

    Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

    The logic is tight, and to me unbreakable, the scripture Jesus said, can not be broken. Framed this way, according the the scripture — pointing out that Jesus explicitly told His disciples on earth to watch for a coming that is visibly accompanied by cosmic signs, glory, and the gathering of...
  9. S

    Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

    Hebrews 9 24 For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are [k]copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; 25 not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of...
  10. S

    Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

    1. A Hidden Meaning vs. a Physically Invisible Event Are Two Different Things The False Logic: Confusing rejection with invisibility. When Jesus came the first time, His physical body, His miracles, and His teaching were entirely public, loud, and physically visible to thousands. People missed...
  11. S

    Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2024&version=NKJV 23 “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I...
  12. S

    Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

    Actually, yes—the parousia (arrival/presence) of the lawless one is entirely public, marked by overt 'signs and lying wonders' that the whole world witnesses (2 Thessalonians 2:9). More importantly, whenever Paul or Jesus describes the Parousia of Christ, they don't leave it to a hidden...
  13. S

    Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

    The resurrection and ascent of the Two Witnesses in Revelation 11 is a localized, public event happening specifically in Jerusalem for two named prophets. Equating their unique historical resurrection with the corporate, global resurrection of the entire Body of Christ at the 'last trumpet'...
  14. S

    Actually Jesus returns twice...

    They don't know how to count, and Last Day and that great sound of a trumpet, Last Trumpet, to me go hand in hand as both point to the return of Christ, and the resurrection of the dead. Matthew 24:31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together...
  15. S

    Actually Jesus returns twice...

    Luke 21 gives us great understanding of the days before that coming Day of the Lord. The Destruction of Jerusalem 20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst...
  16. S

    Actually Jesus returns twice...

    Christ also says like this, Luke 21 The Importance of Watching 34 “But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with [a]carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that Day come on you unexpectedly. 35 For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of...
  17. S

    Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

    @The Light , please note this...and anyone else who is interested. 1. Claim About the "Secret Rapture" and Alien Abductions The Flaw: Comparing a doctrine of the Christian faith to the cultural phenomenon of alien abductions is a wild argument. Essentially admitting that the concept of people...
  18. S

    Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

    The "One Hope" Argument (Ephesians 4:4–6) Paul makes it clear that the Church’s identity is singular: The Logic: If there were two raptures—one for "the Church" and one for "tribulation saints"—there would be two distinct "hopes" and two different destinies. By definition, a "rapture" is the...
  19. S

    Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

    If the entire goal of the Bible is to reveal the singular plan of God for His people, where is the specific verse that commands us to divide the 'Body of Christ' into two separate groups—the Church and the 'Tribulation Saints'—who are saved and gathered on two different timelines?
  20. S

    Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

    1 Corinthians 12 clearly states there is only one body, there is NO DIVISION of the body. The entire body is gathered together as one body, and there are no separate gathering of separate bodies. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 12 For as the body...