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...and walking on water is what? Watchtower logic impasse? Mental carnal men trying to figure out how JESUS IS DECLARED GOD in Hebrew's by the Father, and how God leads his angels to sin by ordering them to worship Jesus whom watchtower neutered into a " created being". IOW, in order to be a...

Well we know that is not true because we see him come in power AFTER the wrath on white horses. We see him come in rev 14 ( 6th seal) with a sickle as a harvester and sends no angels at all and is not in glory or power. So you did not factor in those components. 7yr trib. Wrath at the last...

Which is the point I made. He comes in power and glory after the trib/wrath Which is rev 19 the white horse warrior coming. Main rapture is pretrib Rev 14 has 2 Jewish raptures mid trib.

Yes You have pointed out the back sun verses several times But that has led you into a corner. Because nowhere does he come in power and great glory except after the 7 yr trib....( trib then wrath for your Model) And again, you confuse " revealed" with "installed and taking power" Two...

Nope The ONLY Place he comes in power and great glory is rev 19. Show me differently. There is no place in the pretrib or prewrath comings/ raptures that he comes in power and great glory. Only postwrath on the whitehorses. Huge hole in your model right there Zero

"""Jesus returns and remains in the clouds at the 6th seal immediately after the tribulation for the second harvest. This is the second coming.""" Again..does not line up. Rev 14. Harvest in vs 14 is with a sickle. The white horses leave from heaven. Vs 14 harvest is to heaven. And again I do...

the Jews are raptured after the AC is installed. The church is raptured after He is revealed. You think the millions beheaded are nor aware of the AC? It is the Jews that are powerfully deceived. They are blinded for a reason. Exactly like they are blinded now....and were blinded when Jesus...

The AC is revealed then the rapture. He is not in power when he is revealed. Obama was an example of revealed then a few months later, installed in power. You are thinking something other than revealed. He is revealed pretrib to the remnant church exactly like Obama was. Many good Christians...

Yep The last part of the GT is wrath.

The entire 7 years is great tribulation. Wrath has within it tribulation Definitions are useful. One dimensional mental interpretations and making things fit like "trumpets" , "day of the lord" ,"hour", "tribulation","great tribulation", "wrath", etc can make things look correct, but defy the...

We can all assume the wrath is one year. Does not change anything. Assuming the innumerable number are in heaven at the time you suggest is out if whack. The verse you quoted for their arrival in heaven only states they are already there, not when they arrived.

once the wrath begins, if you read it, there is no prior coming on white horses mentioned. In fact, when the white horses do descend, that battle is quick. There are no falling hailstones and men trying to repent. No sir. No matter how many TV preachers agree with your theory it does not fit.

"""Noah and Lot are examples of 2 raptures""" Nope Both before judgement Both have free commerce Both have peacetime Both have normal life as usual Both are depicted side by side with one taken/one left Both have 50% left behind. It is impossible that they are 2 separate events.

"""There are no dirty robe believers that I am aware. If they were believers, they would have made their robes white by the blood of the Lamb""" The foolish virgins are believers. 1 Corinthians is full of dirty believers. The 7 letters in rev has many sinful believers. When we sin, we need...

You must understand that with noah and lot which are Jesus examples of the rapture, there is not even the slightest hint of a 2 part trib/wrath. Plus you are misplacing the innumerable number. There is nothing there placing them in your timeframe. They had dirty robes and needed washing The...

The only place Jesus descends in power and great Glory is in Revelation 19. which when he returns ,he ends the 7-year Great Tribulation. The ones that are the innumerable number came out of the Great Tribulation Jesus said after the Great Tribulation he would return in power. The whole 7...

I agree in part because Jesus called the entire trib " great tribulation." Plus the innumerable number came out of the great trib. They had dirty robes. They are the foolish virgins left behind. So the innumerable number are in heaven right away. It all has to fit, otherwise things are just...

In the parable of the wedding feast the Jews do not attend. The gentile church is the bride.( plus a small section of messianic Jews.) The Jews are the wife gone awhoring.( The wife nonetheless) In the virgin parable the bride is taken from earth directly to the wedding chamber. ( not saying...

The great multitude CAME OUT OF the GT. Pretty much so except you are putting the wrath / GT dynamic in terms of days and maybe you are basing all that on "7th trump" or something? The return on white horses ends the "wrath"/7 yr gt, or whatever you call it nowadays. That is at the arrival of...

That is truly a nothing burger In no way does that have anything to do with any mistranslation. KJV is ok with "patterns/copies" No foul even remotely associated