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    Genesis as allegory? - History versus allegory

    I'm not claiming anything! The Bible claims that very clearly, I'm simply parroting what the BIBLE says in many places and infers in other places, if you simply read without bias! What does Jesus say here??? It is 100% clear! Belief first followed by baptism = salvation! The 2 elements are...
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    Genesis as allegory? - History versus allegory

    Everyone who's baptized receives the gift, singular, not a gift or gifts, but the actual spirit itself. Don't confuse the gift of the Spirit with a gift from the spirit, one of those listed gifts in 1cor 12: 8-10, which are manifestations of the Spirit like the gift of tongues were. The only 2...
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    Genesis as allegory? - History versus allegory

    No it doesn't. There's one truth and it goes one way. You're now simply resorting to your words, vain words based on your emotions while continuing to ignore the scriptures and what they say such as those I pointed to. Go ahead, try to refute the scriptures or give an explanation as to why they...
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    Genesis as allegory? - History versus allegory

    Read the words of the scriptures. That's all I'm doing and putting the pieces together. I don't care if someone or even everyone disagrees with me; that's not the point. But, to disagree with the words and logical order outlined in the scriptures is a different matter. Upon belief, the first...
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    Genesis as allegory? - History versus allegory

    It's not PARTIALLY correct, it's 100% correct. And acts 2:47 addresses the question. Upon baptism, your sins are forgiven, you receive the indwelling of the Holy Ghost, and verse 47 says the Lord adds you to the body. It all happens at baptism, not at belief; you're still in sin at belief, still...
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    Genesis as allegory? - History versus allegory

    I believe what the scriptures teach and it's clear that salvation is not possible without baptism as Jesus said in mk 16:15-16. And there is no such thing scripturally as infant baptism. Water baptism removes sin. Infants have no sin; they've committed mo transgressions nor are they capable of...
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    Genesis as allegory? - History versus allegory

    "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved" (Mark 16:16) There is only one truth and it's up to us to diligent seek it.
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    Genesis as allegory? - History versus allegory

    Can't answer that definitively, but it could very well most likely skew your beliefs and negatively impact scriptural truth or truth as you understand it to be.
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    Genesis as allegory? - History versus allegory

    Nope. I believe and trust in it all 100%
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    WHAT DID JESUS MEAN TO BE BORN OF WATER AND OF THE SPIRIT

    Unfortunately, you are in disagreement with the scriptures because that's not what they say. 1 Peter 3:20-1, baptism doth now save us. Saul also was told to "arise and be baptized and wash away thy sins" Acts 22:16. And Jesus said as recorded in Mk 16:15-16 15And he said unto them, Go ye into...
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    WHAT DID JESUS MEAN TO BE BORN OF WATER AND OF THE SPIRIT

    Good! Put me on mute and keep reading as you do, missing the subtleties of wording. Goodbye
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    Genesis as allegory? - History versus allegory

    As I stated, believe it all or reject it all and not selectively believe and reject what you like and dislike.
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    WHAT DID JESUS MEAN TO BE BORN OF WATER AND OF THE SPIRIT

    You don't get it. Receiving the Holy Spirit as indicated in Acts 2:38 is the spirit itself, not one of the gifts of the Spirit, one of those listed in 1 Cor 12:8-10. Read more carefully! The GIFT of the Holy Ghost is THE Holy Ghost and not one of its gifts or a manifestation of it.
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    Genesis as allegory? - History versus allegory

    Binary schminary. All or nothing is what I believe.
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    Genesis as allegory? - History versus allegory

    It boils down then to belief and acceptance. You either believe all the bible or none of it. You can't selectively belief only those parts you like and reject the rest.
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    WHAT DID JESUS MEAN TO BE BORN OF WATER AND OF THE SPIRIT

    The answer is quite simple as to the purpose of water Baptism. Acts 2:38 states it emphatically which is supported by other scriptures. Simply put, it's for the remission of sins, and then upon being obedient, you then receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, the indwellingif tge Spirit, and are...
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    WHAT DID JESUS MEAN TO BE BORN OF WATER AND OF THE SPIRIT

    Purpose is the question: what was or is the purpose of baptism, and it's not to show anyone anything. A public display is NOT it's purpose.
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    Genesis as allegory? - History versus allegory

    If historical lineage can be traced back to genesis, it's fact.
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    WHAT DID JESUS MEAN TO BE BORN OF WATER AND OF THE SPIRIT

    Once again for clarity, most people make the mistake regarding your first comment wherein said " I am just acknowledging that its shown both ways, the receiving of the Holy Ghost after being baptized by water and also before being baptized by water." You need to read the related scriptures...