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    Babylon

    No worries - Dutch last names can often end in an “a”. Edit- my hand is a spin on my last name. I was just asking for clarification to make sure I understood you correctly. You could have simply just said yes or no.
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    All who are not taken up to meet the Lord in the air when He comes will be left behind and killed.

    The enemies that were slayed when the noblemen returns- are the ones from the beginning of the parable, who reject the nobleman PRIOR to him going on a journey.
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    All who are not taken up to meet the Lord in the air when He comes will be left behind and killed.

    Because the main point of Jesus using the stories of Sodom and the flood isn’t the scope at which unbelievers are killed on a global scale. One story is about a single city and one story is about the flood. The point of the stories is the suddenness of destruction upon those who are oblivious...
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    All who are not taken up to meet the Lord in the air when He comes will be left behind and killed.

    I don’t think the main point of the sodom and Noah stories is “kill them all” on a global scale. If that’s what you think, then I would have to ask what verses in Luke 17 set that context for this? I think the context begins in vs 20 and the arrival of the kingdom. So Instead I think the main...
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    All who are not taken up to meet the Lord in the air when He comes will be left behind and killed.

    I'm not questioning the wicked being destroyed and the righteous being saved on the day the son of man is revealed. I'm questioning the scope of your a priori assumption - is jesus' intention globally or locally. Luke 17:30-31 30so will it be on the day when the Son of Man is revealed.31On...
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    All who are not taken up to meet the Lord in the air when He comes will be left behind and killed.

    the problem is that this creates a false dichotomy - having only 2 options - survive (righteous) or die (wicked). The presumption assumes this is the 2nd coming and/or is a global event, when in fact neither may be the case.
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    Babylon

    Your posts are sometimes difficult to follow, so I am asking follow up questions to clarify. You appear to have said, in post 426 , the "holy ones" in matthew 25:31 that come with Christ at the separating of the sheep and the goats should be understood as the "asleep saints" based on 1...
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    Babylon

    Are you saying that the angels that do the gathering/separating at the end of the age in the parable of the weeds, the parable of the net, and the olivet disourse are the dead saints that come from heaven with Jesus?
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    Babylon

    You seem to be arguing there are 3 groups in the parable: the brethren who consist of the hungry, poor, naked, and imprisoned The righteous The wicked Is this correct?
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    Babylon

    lol, Her? Does my profile say female?
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    Babylon

    What?
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    Babylon

    So are you thinking that the parable of the sheep and goats is in regards to the judgement on the righteous and wicked for how they treated the brothers and sisters of Christ (the sick, naked, imprisoned, etc…)?
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    Why do Premillennialists not believe that 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-13 refer to the same event?

    the argument is not that the apostles didn’t know about Christs reign or “future earth changes”. The argument is they didn’t know about a future reign where the dead are resurrected and reign with Christ on earth for a literal 1000 years. I never said you had the NHNE taking place prior to the...
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    Why do Premillennialists not believe that 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-13 refer to the same event?

    The view that you are putting forth here on how you interpret the scriptures, is difficult to follow. I’m honestly puzzled with your attempt at explaining how you at stringing things together. So let’s start with something simple. According to revelation 20, when does the earth and heaven...
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    Why do Premillennialists not believe that 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-13 refer to the same event?

    There are multiple views represented in this forum on how to interpret the passages, each claiming their view “is not my view” but is “what is written in scripture”. Some are claiming to be spiritually minded, while calling the other carnally minded. So you’ll have to understand, I’m going to...
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    Why do Premillennialists not believe that 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-13 refer to the same event?

    It’s because Peter only “hinted” at the millennium, he didn’t really know the full details yet, since the revelation had not “revealed” prior to his death……………. Not sure why Jesus would wait until after the deaths of the apostles to fully “reveal” the true chronology of the eschaton...
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    Why do Premillennialists not believe that 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-13 refer to the same event?

    It's not necessarily that I can't understand what was written. It's more that I'm having a hard time following your explanation for your view on how you believe it should be understood. That's why I'm asking clarifying questions. Ok, so it seems you are saying the literal earth is forever...
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    Why do Premillennialists not believe that 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-13 refer to the same event?

    Right, heaven and earth vanish AFTER the 1000 year reign according to revelation 20:11. There is no mention of heaven and earth vanishing away prior to the 1000 year reign in revelation 20. So im trying to clarify your position, as I’m still a little unclear. So heaven and earth are burned up...
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    Why do Premillennialists not believe that 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-13 refer to the same event?

    lol, must have hit it accidentally when scrolling. Thanks for the heads up. Now that I read it, it makes absolutely zero sense.
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    Why do Premillennialists not believe that 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-13 refer to the same event?

    Completely agree. If Peter knew about an earthly literal millennial reign, why would he only “hint” at it as @Davy said, through mentioning how God is outside of time, not being slow as some count slow to fulfill his promises? Doesn’t really make sense. I Have no idea how God being outside of...