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I understand your view. And now you are getting close to the doctrine of predestination/ election vs. free will to choose God and I did not want to go there. I think we are on opposite sides on that subject. That's okay. We can put it to rest before we totally derail the thread.

That is the point, there are consequences to your choices that may cost you or someone else. Breaking God's laws is sin. The wages of sin = death. Breaking man's laws is a crime = fines, penalties, jail. If a punishment is tied to your actions, you aren't really free to do anything you want and...

Freedom apart from God is not free. Did He advocate for man's free will leading up to the Flood? He grieved. He knew what was going to happen, but there was no other way. To know good and evil, he had to let man learn for himself. We learned that we were slaves to sin, not so free. Man left to...

You want to appear to play neutral. I wasn't guessing about your position. Abortionists use the same argument: "It's not a human/person". I recalled a thread that Jack started last Jan. 2023, " Abortion" You argued fervently against the unborn. Here are some of your quotes: You remember Jack's...

Of course not. But you are Pro-Choice, in favor of the right to choose, right? Most women in that situation, who go-ahead with the operation would also agree, they are not in favor of it. But truth be told, they favor not being pregnant, not having a child and not being responsible over the...

I love Michael McDonald's music, but could never figure out songs like this, what the heck was he singing about? It's kinda like your thread, "Is Reality an Illusion" ... i just scratch my head. Anyways, I love his R&B soulful style.

So I guess even partial- birth abortion would be acceptable to you, since "it" isn't a human yet until it pops out of the womb. "Look honey, I think it's human ... but wait, wait for it ... Okay God, do your thing blow the soul through the nostrils ... (baby starts to cry) ... thank you Lord."...

Nice try. So you think the Lord stands by each delivery _ every eight seconds _ and breaths life into a baby at the moment of birth? The baby is already living, a human being, the soul and body already fully integrated prior to this birth. The action of kicking is a motion instructed by the...

That was Adam. He made Adam likely a full grown man and breathed life and a soul into Him and then made Eve. The rest of us went through a different process ... they joined together and you know ... procreated.

A soul is the mind, will, emotions. A fetus has those qualities. They are self aware and kick you to let you know, I'm here. The soul is highly integrated with the body prior to birth. It is not some mindless flesh the just becomes aware when it starts to breathe. It is already receiving oxygen...

God gives life. He knits us together in the womb. If a woman, because of a physiological reproductive defect (that came from genetic flaws passed down from the original sin); and she needs a little help to bypass that defect, God evidently approved of the method. A mother had eight kids. God...

That is quite an absurd hypothetical scenario! Missionaries, Sunday school teachers, family members of Christians ... not chosen? Doubt it. Those who seek God through Christ find Him. Simply those who believe in Christ have been chosen. No one can come tonthe Father unless He draws Him...

No, it is all the same kind of condemnation. People claim to believe in Christ on both sides of the aisle and you think you have this ability to invalidate their claim. You do not have the knowledge or authority to do that, no one but God has. By their fruit you will know them. So are you...

@ Lizbeth, Ziggy, Amigo de Christo This is my challenge for anyone else who despises, hates and condemns Catholics. Go and engage many Catholics and ask them if they believe in Jesus. Wait outside their church and ask them as they come out, "Do you believe that Jesus died for your sins and rose...

Here you quote scripture that contradicts your opinion of Catholicism. They believe in Jesus - ask any of them. Why don't you stand outside if a Catholic Church on Sunday and greet people coming out and ask them if they believe that Jesus died for their sins and rose on the third day. They will...

You are wrong and quite judgmental. You have no knowledge of what the Holy Spirit has in mind for anyone. What you have just written is vile. Catholicism's focal point is the death and resurrection of Christ and the Bible (which is larger than ours, having additional books). Yes they believe and...

I know and believe that, but how do you know if someone is or isn't born again? By their fruit _ of the Spirit! And specifically there is a list: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, self control, faithfulness. So when we see those who have this fruit, and we see it grow...

No, but I do know Catholics believe in Jesus. I have had many family members who were Catholic. It is not a religion without flaws, but a Christian religion. I am a Protestant. And you know this because the Holy Spirit told you? Christians can discern good from evil and evil spirits. Certain...

Then I guess you think that of me? Faith is a gift, not something you manufacture. God gives out those gifts and no one can take them away! The only prerequisite I know for salvation that Jesus requires is to believe in Him, That He died for our sins, was buried and rose on the third day...

The Bottomless Pit/Hades is part of the 1st Earth, deep beneath the crust, likey the core. The 1st Heaven is our atmosphere. The 2nd Heaven is outer space/ the universe and so together, they are "the first heavens". The Millennial Kingdom will exist in the 1st Earth. Days and years are...