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Yes agreed and as I said before Adam was not united with God because he would have been wearing the full armour. The relationship was one where Adam still had to prove himself so he was not saved. It depends on what credit you give to the early church who taught The Way of Purgation...

You think they are Christians? Now I know why your discernment is right off.

Ephesians 6:11: Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

I do not believe in water baptism regeneration. If Adam & Eve were in spiritual union with God then they would not have been deceived by Satan. Satan cannot do that if one is in union with God. We are delivered from the wiles of the devil in this union. They did not have that.

No. He died spiritually as we all have a spirit but was not in union with God. His spirit was alive yes but he was not in union. It does not say that in scripture. His spirit died and ours dies too after we reach the age of accountability but before then, as innocent children, we are not in union.

Adam did not have 'spiritual union'. He was made innocent but was instructed that he had to feed from the tree of life. However he did not and lost his innocence. True reconciliation means to be made perfect as He is perfect.

More insight last night. Reconciliation, is becoming united again with someone with whom one has become alienated. So there was a relationship to start with. It is not the case when one becomes aquainted with another with whom there was no past connection. This is where the church is wrong and...

The ones I have read, I believe had reached the stage of Illumination, whereby they had the truth revealed about crucifixion with Christ, and had the cleansing to be able to overcome deliberate sin. George Fox reached that stage but recorded in his Journal that there was another higher stage...

Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. Two works of God, reconciliation and then later on, salvation. The church believes that it is the reconciliation that saves. This is not the...

Sister, the reformers were refuting the RCC, who followed and still follow the traditions of men and especially since they left the one true catholic church, and threw the baby out with the bathwater and ignored the true early church stance on this issue. (from the orthodoxbridge.com site)...

14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life. This is the water Jesus spoke about, the water He would give, the water that cleanses from all sin. The Holy...

I think it has something to do with the cleansing from sin, to be made pure as well as the work of the Spirit (for the second time).

I will try to find again something I read recently about this.

No. I think the first work of the Spirit was the confirmation of truth that He gives the person who first comes to Christ for forgiveness.

There are 'cradle believers' amongst them yes, but there are also what you call born again's there - many in fact and a lot coming out of Protestantism , in fact in their droves. I do not have extensive experience with them but see many who are true believers who perhaps agree with me...

I don't know. Although they (when I say they I do not know how many) may have some things wrong, it is still far better to join it if the Lord leads than the utterly apostate west where you will not hear about the need to be ES'ed which is number one. There is nothing in their service that is...

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Correct. It is all by faith and while we are yet sinners or in the initial stage of the process of sanctification which is to become complete in this life. Indeed it has a beginning and an end in this life which in the rebellion church denies. But you have contradicted yourself by saying IF we...

It is the opposite, and walking into any Protestant or Catholic Church today will do this. They are the ones teaching the wisdom of man, and it is the Orthodox Church that still holds the teaching of the doctrine of holiness, which has been called theosis since the beginning, and entire...