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Funny how all these conversations end up in the same place, even if they were far from that at the beginning... To the OP, yes, hell is a place of eternal torment, but people have different ideas about that torment... what it is, who administers or inflicts it and how... Many even turn it...

Well, at least you acknowledge this as your opinion... <smile> But hold on... I actually agree with you here, David, at least to an extent... There is a key difference (which others may not see as key at all...) in the "little season" of Revelation 6 that differentiates it from "Satan's...

No, you were ignoring the context, and now you're misstating it. And, if you want to call that my opinion, that's fine with me. Grace and peace to you.

I was right with you this far... <smile> Grace and peace to you.

Ah, but "literally small" to us? Sometimes yes... Or "literally small" to God but not "literally small" to us? Sometimes yes... <smile> So, it depends on the context... Disagree, but okay, fair enough... What I would say, SI, is that "a short amount of time" is understood very differently...

There was. And you either ignored it (don't think so) or declined to answer it (nodding), but either way spoke volumes. That's all you. But we'll agree to disagree. Yeah, so why didn't you answer my question? I clearly, in no uncertain terms, asked what version of the Bible you were quoting...

Okay, we'll leave it at that, then. Ah yes, hurdles... Well yeah, that's the problem, I agree, but I think in a different sense than you do... <smile> I think there's plenty of precedent for both... in the Bible, and in our lives... <chuckles> Those hurdles you see, David, are actually...

You didn't answer my question. More on that in a moment. First, though, yes, it is true that identical words can have different meanings in the Bible depending on the context in which they appear, and yes, 'anothen' is one of those. But we cannot take it out of one context and put it into...

Well, you can, but I would advise against it. <smile> Maybe, but how much of it can be applied to Satan would probably be... yet another debate... <smile> David, at that point, there's no one left that will be deceived. Of course I don't... <smile> And I don't... <smile> The text reads...

Did I not say to David, "...your A is in the millennium of Revelation 20, and your B, Satan's 'little while' is after it is ended"...? I guess I could have left out that little word 'in' in there... And you and I are both amillennial, right? <smile> Grace and peace to you, SI.

Because what you have said, that "Satan's little season" ~ which commences when Satan is loosed ~ is within the thousand years, is contrary to that. Ahhh, yes, I know. <smile> "And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will...

I say that what you are talking about, David... A and B... are two very, very different things. Revelation 6:11 in particular says, "Then they were each given a white robe and told to rest a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brothers should be complete, who were...

Literally what I just said... Right, so it seems you're saying ~ without realizing it, I guess ~ that there's an intermediate age of some length between this age and the next. And I say the text does not support that. <chuckles> I... don't think that's it... <smile> Yes. Agreed. <smile>...

Fair enough; see my post immediately preceding this one (#277). Nope. He returns, and ends it, yes... really in a sense before it even begins. You will agree that the text says Satan is loosed again, but never actually says he succeeds in deceiving the nations. Disagree. See above. The...

This seems to be where we don't see eye to eye; these two things are one and the same. The key word, I guess, in your statement here is 'entire,' but in the text, the word 'until' necessitates the entirety, that the "thousand years" is necessarily expired when the loosing occurs. Of course you...

You just said, Spiritual Israelite, and I am quoting you here, verbatim, "I certainly don't see anything in Revelation 20 which suggests that he is loosed in the eternal age to come." Fair enough. On this we agree. As I said, I don't see it as any significant amount of time, no. Here's my...

:rolleyes: Lol... Whatever... <smile> The wording that was confusing in your quote in Post #241 was ~ and still is, really ~ "from the first." But yes, of that entire passage, 'anothen' is only used in verse 3, and you at least seemed to intimate that 'anothen' appeared also in verses 6 and 8...

The text clearly states that he is loosed when the thousand years are ended... "that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended." If you disagree, that's fine. Right on. Fair enough, but I don't understand how you can't understand how I'm "interpreting"...

On this little subject under discussion between us, it seems the only question, then, is, is the time in which Satan is loosed at the very end of but in the present age, or is it the beginning of the coming age? I think it not important that we come to agreement on that, not a terribly pressing...

It seems so, yes. It's okay, but yes. I try, David. I really do. Thanks for acknowledging. I'm......... not so sure he doesn't; I think there's a couple of other, ah, issues that present with him... But one thing that's sorely lacking across the board here is humility. Which is not...