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'The Cross' is not just to be understood as literal but also as metaphor. Self denial is non other than self crucifixion. Getting stuck on a couple of wooden planks fixed at right angles to each other misses half the intended picture. Self denial is the reality of Jesus sojourn .....yes, he...

The thing is....if we have it wrong it is to our disadvantage. Error by its very nature reduces or hamstrings understanding. If on the other hand we have it right, we will go from understanding to understanding; from slavery to liberation. If one has the audacity to call slavery liberation or...

ahhhhh, the opinions of men, they have persuaded themselves that God is beholden to them!

so, talking about it (perhaps it's something pious to say) is a futile exercise?

I wonder about that. I also wonder why our prayers tell God what he should be doing.

a coffee wouldn't cut it with that belle Jezz. It'd be a double whiskey for starters.

Does talking about and repeating the expression 'rightly dividing the word of truth' mean that it is rightly divided?

you mean they hand out the celery along with the sweet corn and cantaloupes? :r.u.n:

talking about having wisdom and actually having wisdom are two different things.

do you mean point the finger?

How others label themselves is not my business; how I label myself or others is. How is it supposed heaven looking down at humanity, labels us?

How many former Catholics are here? Do we count, babylonians, hindu's, buddhists, animists, protestants, gay's, disabled, mentally challenged, millionaires, fashion dolls, greedy, trans..... Is it necessary to label our selves or others? What do we think labelling achieves?

Whew!! :IDK:

First they need to hear the good news.....then, they will make their choices....and it is their choices. The Holy Spirit is present when the good news is presented. You can't see him, smell him, feel him but he is there.....and choices are made.

You assume wrongly about what I think Hidden. Have another try!

I do not find this construct viable.

I don't think one needs to deduce that. Revelation zooms in on certain detail at different times.....it's not necessarily a continuous detailed timeline.

Sorry, I don't share your view Hidden. The context is the second coming of Jesus at the end of this age.

what about Jews included in Revelation 6:15-16?

Hey you :Thumbsup: