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@Scott Downey And both are true, yet which one is first ? Were you for Christs sake forgiven of your sins, b4 you ever believed in Him ? Yes or No

@Scott Downey So did God forgive them for Christs Sake, His death putting away their sins, or for their believing sake which is something they did ? You said in your earlier post this: Which one is it ? Forgiven for Christs name sake or for their believing sake ?

I asked the correct question

@Scott Downey Sounds good but let me ask u, are their sins forgiven them prior to their believing, seeing Christ died for their sins prior to their believing.

Yes the all in Rom V 18 is the Many in V 19 they are Justified by Christs faithful obedience, which causes them to believe. So permanent unbelievers are excluded from the Many/All who are Justified

@JBO Correct and them only. It wasn't for them who never believe. Also the obedience of Jesus Christ makes men righteous and believers Rom 5:19 For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience/faithfulness of the One the many will be made...

Thats correct, yet even if its objective, Christ is the object of their faith, His obedience is what secured the righteousness or justification for the elect, not their own believing. Those whom Christ acted in behalf of will be given Faith to believe in Him so they will know it.

What is the Faith of Jesus Christ ? For example: Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus...

@MatthewG He did it only on behalf of His Sheep Jn 10 and they will come to believe it, he will cause them to hear His voice in regards to it and believe Jn 10:15-16 15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 And other sheep I have...

The Supralapsarian view of Salvation contributes to the Truth of Eternal Justification, Salvation before the foundation. I quote Vincent Cheung: Although consequent absolute necessity is the "classic Protestant position,"4 there is a more accurate position on the necessity of the atonement. In...

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@JBO They dont need to be reconciled, they were already by Christs death and non imputation, they needed to know about it, embrace it by faith, then its reconciled in their understanding. If u had a large debt you owed to a bank, and one day without your knowing about it, someone paid that...

@JBO No you didnt, you picked out one thing and made a comment,.

“Not Imputing Their Trespasses” To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. (2 Corinthians 5:19) This was what he resolved upon from all eternity, that inasmuch as Christ was...

@JLB About what, explain what Im wrong about, I spent time on that post

Do you understand the post ? Please rehearse back to me what I posted

Justification is from everlasting because of the revealed chain of Salvation: Rom 8:29-30 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also...

Justification in the mind and purpose of God: Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Romans 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called...

Is that all you can say ? This was about eternal justification, do you no anything about 2 Cor 5:19 ? What's non imputation of sin ? Is it about Christ ?

All the elect did in Gods purpose, existed in Christ, not physically. Now did Levi exist to God here b4 being born ? Heb 7:9 9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. 10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.