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    Spiritual gifts: Unconfusing them part 2

    In Acts 2:38, irrespective of commas, the Greek word 'kai', 'and' in English, is used which is a conjunction, and conjunctions tie parts of sentences together inextricably. Billy Graham is the worst example of a preacher since he didn't know how to tell someone to be saved nor does his son...
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    Saved by God := Through Faith

    Water baptism is so meaningless that Jesus himself made the below comments Mark 16:15-16 "15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." Yes, you're...
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    Saved by God := Through Faith

    Your thoughts and illogical words that don't align with scripture. Ignor what you like, believe what you like, but the words will remain. Goodbye
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    Saved by God := Through Faith

    Why did the Ethiopian eunuch even mention water and baptism? He knew absolutely nothing about it nor it's relevance. Very obviously, it must have been part of the gospel message that Philip taught him. You read it and Acts 2:38-47. The combination of those accounts along with Romans 10:9 relates...
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    Saved by God := Through Faith

    To believe as you do is to ignore all of the relative scriptures. Read the account of the Ethiopian eunuch. What did he do and what was the exchange between him and Philip? He did more and was told more than just believe. And likewise, the jews on the day of Pentecost were told more than just...
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    Spiritual gifts: Unconfusing them part 2

    Believe what you like, goodbye
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    Spiritual gifts: Unconfusing them part 2

    Nothing went wrong St. Ste.Ven, as I've stated and restated. The scriptures you cited are validation that to receive the manifestation of the Spirit, the miraculous gifts, those listed in 1 Cor 12:8-10, required the laying on of the apostle's hands. The Samarians were baptized believers no...
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    Spiritual gifts: Unconfusing them part 2

    Exactly! Receiving the Spirit is not the same as receiving the gifts manifested by the Spirit once it's in you. But furthermore, that was only in biblical times since the gifts, or manifestations of the Spirit, became available through the laying on of the apostle's hands, and they are long dead.
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    Spiritual gifts: Unconfusing them part 2

    'Tou' in Greek is generally 'the' or 'of the'. Doesn't change anything. What's your point and what is it you disagree with and are trying to prove or disprove? You've not stated what you believe and why with supporting scriptures. If you want to argue for the sake of arguing, go do so with...
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    Spiritual gifts: Unconfusing them part 2

    True! But the problem is many people wrongly assume this passage is stating that this means the various gifts of the Spirit and by your baptism you also should automatically receive gifts. That's the difference in singular and plural, gift and gifts. Acts 2 :38 has nothing you do with bestowing...
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    Spiritual gifts: Unconfusing them part 2

    The Holy Spirit and Holy Ghost are one in the same and interchangeable which is why I stuck them together just in case the reader more commonly referred to one vs the other. Moot point. And the Greek interlinear in Acts 2:38 says "the gift of the Holy Spirit". The gift of the Holy Spirit...
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    Why hadn't the baptized believers in Samaria received the Holy Spirit? (2)

    The point you made is exactly the point I made or rather that the bible makes regarding the distinction in the way the Holy Ghost is referenced in Acts 2 as opposed to the manifestation of the Spirit as delineated in 1 Cor 12:8-10. In Acts 2:38, we all who are baptized receive THE gift of the...
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    Why hadn't the baptized believers in Samaria received the Holy Spirit? (2)

    The common misunderstanding is confusing receiving the GIFT (singular) of the Holy Ghost per Acts 2:38, with the miraculous manifestation of the Spirit, the GIFTS, plural, those covered in 1 Cor 12:8-10 which become manifested as discussed previously, by the laying on of the apostle's hands...
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    Why hadn't the baptized believers in Samaria received the Holy Spirit? (2)

    I just covered this with someone else yesterday. You have to read the text closely as there's a difference in what the Lord Said in his instructions to Ananias in verse 12, as opposed to what Ananias said in verse 17. See below. The Lord's instructions to Ananias said nothing whatsoever about...
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    Why hadn't the baptized believers in Samaria received the Holy Spirit? (2)

    Acts 2 and 10 were unique and not the norm wherein the Spirit fell unilaterally as a sign, to validate what was occurring to the Jews in Jerusalem, and to Peter in Caesarea. In both cases, what occurred was the beginning of the church, 1st in Jerusalem and then amongst the Gentiles in Caesarea...
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    Why hadn't the baptized believers in Samaria received the Holy Spirit? (2)

    It does make a difference without the 'a'.
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    Why hadn't the baptized believers in Samaria received the Holy Spirit? (2)

    Just FYI, the KJV says "God is a spirit" in John 4:24, however, if you look at the origional Greek in the interlinear, it says "God is spirit", no 'a'. Other translations have likewise translated this to agree with the Greek, even the New KJV leaves out 'a'.
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    Spiritual gifts: Unconfusing them part 2

    The power from on high as referenced in Luke 24:49 by Jesus to his apostles, gave THEM the ability to enable the manifestation of the Spirit, the gifts as they are commonly referred to today, which they solely did as noted in such passages as Acts 5:12, Acts 6:6-8, Acts 8:9-17, Acts 19:6.