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I can really appreciate having a conversation where we can express differences without having to think it’s some kind of debate where there has to be a winner and a loser, and I think we can do that here. Let me think about what you said and I’ll respond tomorrow, I have a few things I need...

When the beast kingdoms in Daniel begin their reign, or really when Babylon captivity of the Jews occurred is when the times of the Gentiles started. The times of the Jews ended with the captivity. When the kingdom of God began the times of the Gentiles ended. Once Christ was the King He never...

I do disagree about the time of the Gentiles but there probably aren’t two people who agree on everything. I enjoy examining the views of others. I can see this is a well thought out commentary.

Hey CTK, here’s something that might be linked to what your looking at happening prior to the cross. When Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist He received the Holy Spirit. When Jesus died on the cross He asked why hast thou forsaken me. I would say the Holy Spirit left Jesus at some point...

You are defining spiritual blindness as being unsaved and not being spiritually blind as being saved. In other words a person cannot spiritually see and be unsaved, a person has to believe once they see Jesus is the savior. This is the “I” in T.U.I.L.P. I’m not debating whether free will is...

I don’t want to debate soteriology here either but you’re suggesting that a person doesn’t have free will when you equate being spiritually blind or not as being saved or not.

2 Peter 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way...

Yes, I definitely believe Paul makes the case that there is an Israel of God that contains true believers and it’s not based on ethnicity. However Paul isn’t consistent in always using the term “Israel” to refer to the true Israel of God or the ethnic Israel. Maybe a similar situation would be...

Personally, this is how I see it. Those who rejected going into the promised land were without hope, they died in the wilderness over the forty year period. When the new covenant came those who rejected it weren’t without hope, they were given most of the forty years, until Jerusalem was...

I agree, and Paul wrote the book of Romans while these conditions were prevalent.

Well, how can partial blindness be talking about full blindness on only a part of the Jews? We have the Acts 21:20 many thousands of Jews who were both zealous for the law and believed. Were they in the partially blinded group or in the non-blinded group?

Do you think the old covenant vanished or do you think it is still around and hasn’t vanished yet?

Ok, that difficulty in understanding that the ceremonies were done away with can be considered blindness. Partial blindness could be considered believing in Jesus but continuing the ceremonial practices due to a lack of understanding. That is exactly what we see in the many thousands of Jews...

The new covenant went into force after Jesus was crucified yet many thousands of Jews remained zealous for the law while believing in Jesus according to Acts 21:20. What are your thoughts on why the Jews maintained the old covenant burdens, while the Gentiles were not under those burdens, which...

Ok, I agree with what you’re saying but maybe I view the covenants a little differently. The old covenant required both God and Israel to perform obligations or tasks according to the covenant (agreement). Israel didn’t or really couldn’t perform their end of the agreement, which made the old...

In Romans 11:2-4 Paul uses the example of Elias and the seven thousand men that hadn’t bowed the knee to show that at that time a similar situation was happening where there was a remnant according to the election of grace. I don’t think that was a mystery, it was a reoccurring event. In the...

But that’s not what SI was talking about, he said the mystery was a fraction of Jews were saved and the other fraction were not saved, they were blinded.

So why do you think it was a mystery that some Jews were saved and some weren’t? Shouldn’t it have been obvious that that was the case?

Well take Ephesians 3:9 for example And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: Here mystery is something that was hid from the beginning.

The fullness of the Gentiles has to do with them fulfilling all the scriptures that are prophesied for them. It has nothing to do with the total number of saved people.