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  1. keithr

    Why are Bible scholars leaving Christianity?

    It's best to not side-track this tread into discussing the Trinity - lots of Trinity believers get upset by it and react in a non-Christian way, to such an extent that the administrators of the forum have banned its discussion. (I disagree with that; they should just discipline those who don't...
  2. keithr

    Why are Bible scholars leaving Christianity?

    Yet another anti-trinitarian verse (there are lots of them!). Jesus claims to be the Son of Man, the Messiah, and that he has been taught by God. Three equal parts/persons who are all God implies that none of them need teaching anything!
  3. keithr

    Why are Bible scholars leaving Christianity?

    I couldn't help noticing the anti-trinitarian part - that Jesus has a God and Father, just like us. Romans 15:5-6 (WEB): (5) Now the God of perseverance and of encouragement grant you to be of the same mind with one another according to Christ Jesus, (6) that with one accord you may with one...
  4. keithr

    Where in the Bible are we told to pray to the Holy Spirit?

    If you believe in the Trinity doctrine then you'll have confusion such as that. Could it be that you've just realised that the Trinity doctrine is not Scriptural? Well what a surprise! It's a very important topic that we're not allowed to discuss on this forum! It does make a difference who...
  5. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    Those passages are not describing the rapture, they're describing Jesus' second coming/advent, which is after the Great Tribulation. They say that the elect are gathered, but not that they are changed to be spriit beings and are caught up to be with Jesus. They mention that "the sun will be...
  6. keithr

    Why are Bible scholars leaving Christianity?

    I only watched the first two videos (and only half of the second video), but from that I suspect that the main reason they stopped believing was because they had no personal experience of proof. When I started to get more serious about Christianity, I used to say that I had 99.9% belief in God...
  7. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    Jesus is answering three questions in that chapter, but none of those questions is "When will you return to receive us to yourself?" (from John 14:3, "... I will come again, and will receive you to myself; that where I am, you may be there also"). As I just quoted from John 14:3, he did say...
  8. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    Once again you have made wrong assumptions! I have not ignored my own advice, but I have read the Bible carefully, particularly the book of Revelation, along with guidance such as can be found in this video - The Book of Revelation - Session 10 of 24 - A Remastered Commentary by Chuck Missler...
  9. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    Yes, don't blindly believe what people tell you, but read the Bible for yourself and figure out what it really says. That's how the Protestant movement came about, when the original manuscripts were read and it was discovered that what the Roman Catholic church was teaching was incorrect. The...
  10. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    Indeed, the coming/presence of Jesus is a one time event, as is his return to collect his bride (the Church) and take them to their new heavenly home in our Father's house. They are seperate events, at different times and for different purposes. His coming to collect his bride (the Church) is...
  11. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    You haven't explained how any of those verses could support the idea that the rapture/resurrection of the Church will occur after the Great Tribulation. Do you really thing God is the kind of person that chooses and calls people, whom he forgives and justifies, to be a bride for His beloved...
  12. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    The passage is about submission to authority and enduring unjust suffering. It is about how we should follow Jesus' example in our lives - our lives here on the earth now. It has nothing to do with the timing of the rapture/resurrection of Christians in relation to the Great Tribulation. 1...
  13. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    I don't see any support for post-tribulation rapture in 1 Peter 2:20-25 either. But so what?! It seems completely unrelated to the timing of the rapture.
  14. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    I was reminded of the following verses - Luke 1:32-33 (WEB): (32) He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father, David, (33) and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever. There will be no end to his Kingdom.” Israel...
  15. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    That's wrong - I do acknowledge that Mary became pregnant by God's Holy Spirit. In post #461 I wrote, "God made Mary pregnant". Really? I thought the Holy Spirit only came upon Jesus at his baptism - John 1:32 (WEB): (32) John testified, saying, “I have seen the Spirit descending like a...
  16. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    Why do you think that "you prepared a body for me" means that Jesus existed as more than one being, having more than one body at a time (as if that is possible)? If Jesus was not a perfect, sinless man, then he would not have been a suitable sacrifice for Adam, who before his disobedience was a...
  17. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    No, I don't believe that is correct! First of all "of his flesh, and of his bones" is probably a corruption of the Scriptures. The Cambridge Bible Notes says: of his flesh, and of his bones] Three important MSS. (ABא) supported by other but not considerable authority, omit these words. It has...
  18. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    Spirit beings can possess a human body, and many spirit beings can possess a single human, but Jesus was not possessing somebody else. He became human. From foetus to manhood, he was the only person in possession of his body, just like us. He was not at that point a spirit being with a spirit...
  19. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    That's not quite what I meant. All humans can die, and the majority have died and the majority of the remaining will die. However, after the final judgement at the end of the Millennial Age, after the incorrigible have had their second death, from that point on for all eterntiy humans will not...
  20. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    Well, Jesus came as a man, and lived/lasted as a man for about 33.5 years. Don't let the grammar blind you from the obvious meaning of Scripture. 1 Corinthians 15:40 (ESV): (40) There are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is of one kind, and the glory of the...