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    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    Jesus tells us exactly the same thing John 16:33 These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.” As does 1 Peter 1, and the grief it can cause. 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our...
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    Why I don't believe in a pretrib rapture

    Sure is one of Michael's jobs is to rebuke Satan and confront Satan. We do read of his interactions with Satan, the dragon in old and new testaments.
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    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    I know some people will appreciate that Isaiah 11 finds it's fulfilment in the new earth God will make at the restoration of all things when He sends Christ, Acts 3 20 and that He may send [c]Jesus Christ, who was [d]preached to you before, 21 whom heaven must receive until the times of...
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    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    Agree with that. They continue on with a false belief, and strongly held too.
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    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    Dispensationalism is basically the method of interpreting the scriptures that sees two distinct peoples of God, with two distinct destinies – Israel and the Church. Some of the tenets that all or most contemporary mainstream Dispensationalists would hold to include the following: The Church is...
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    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    What these others really believe is that the unbelieving Jews are God's people forever. And that there are 2 separate peoples of God, believers in Christ and the unbelieving Jews. That is why they bring up Isaiah 11.
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    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    You do not undersand what the 'seed of Israel' is. Becuase you are thinking according to the flesh. Your own mind misses the fact that the jews ceased to exist as a nation for thousands of years. Acording to your own reasoning you create an impossible conflict with the scripture you posit as...
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    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    Romans 9 New King James Version Israel’s Rejection of Christ 9 I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit, 2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my...
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    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    The Seed of Israel is not the Jews though is it! Through Isaac your seed shall be the called. Paul explains this exactly and clearly, and Jesus explained to the Jews they were Not the people of God in John 8 Jesus specifically tells them that even though they are descendants of Abraham that...
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    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    Only the children of God will inherit the (new) earth, all the others, are of the flesh, and not of the Spirit. God's plan is not to reign on this earth on an earthly throne of David, Daivid is dead and buried and His tomb was with the Jews. David is with the Lord in Heaven, and reigns with Him...
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    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    None of your OT scriptures carry meaning regarding separate covenants today of 2 peoples of God. Paul describes the only 'covenants' that are relevant today, which is of the Spirit versus those of the flesh. Which Paul explains symbolically, yet it is still true, today. Galatians 4 22 For it...
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    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    The above proves believing gentiles are members of the commonwealth of Israel! Believe it or not proof, that there is no longer jew or gentile. 1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all...
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    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    You must not have read Ephesians 2 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called...
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    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    Matthew 13 47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: 48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. 49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels...
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    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    Another confused doctrine of theirs is the restrainer being the Holy Spirit being taken away (2 Thess 2), so that when the Holy Spirit is withdrawn from the earth, the born of God people of God are raptured, sparing them great tribulations. However, Christ says He is with us always, and will...
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    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    others in your camp have claimed the 'new covenant' is only for the Jews, is that you also?
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    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    They really don't want to line up with the truth, such as 2 Thessalonians 1, that really shows them how messed up their doctrine is. Some of them dispute Last Day and last days too., not willing to admit there is a 'Last Day', or they say 'Last Day' is after Christ returns, then another 1000...
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    Why I don't believe in a pretrib rapture

    Scriturally and spiritually the Body of Christ is not divided, not in destiny either. Christ comes for His church, on time, at the appointed time, a second time, not a 3rd time. Ephesians 4 New King James Version I, therefore, the prisoner [a]of the Lord, beseech you to walk worthy of the...
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    Why I don't believe in a pretrib rapture

    1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of [a]Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for...
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    Why I don't believe in a pretrib rapture

    This is the same LAST DAY. The gathering (rapture), resurrection, judgment are all on the same Day of Christ, which is the Day of the Lord. Why would Paul write it this way? Because some had been preaching the resurrection was past. Paul sought to tell people they had not missed the 'gathering...