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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    Well yes. It goes against all I understand regarding good exegesis. If we agree that Paul is giving his testimony about sanctification then I would say yes. He is struggling with unintentional sin then finds the answer yes?
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    marks, are you building a doctrine on one passage? You are witnesses, and God also, how holily and justly and unblameably we behaved ourselves among you that believe: (1Thess 2:10) It all boils down to how you are interpreting Romans 7. Do you deny that Thesois meant sinlessness in the early...
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    Yes Amen. I had a look at Daniel Amen's work and it looks like it is based on CBT. I have rejected that therapy for myself as it is not effective in Narcissistic Family Scapegoat Abuse, in fact reforming the thoughts can be positively dangerous. It also sounds like managing whereas I am looking...
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    The third way (Arminianism v Calvinism)

    I can see how you have not studied early Quaker works, and have just repeated some errors you have read elsewhere. But you are correct in that George Fox did not receive formal theological education - just like the disciples. He claimed that God had enlightened him through the Holy Spirit's...
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    While it is true that it is the Lord who judges us, the text does not say that we cannot know His judgement. Of course we must go by His words in our hearts. That is where we have our faith. But the Lord would not with-hold that information from us . For what reason? We need to know where we...
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    Resting in Christs' finished work yes, but you have missed out the cross as it is applied to us. It means our consent to the old man being killed, which results in a state of being without sin. Yet you say that this crucifixion took place without us, which is the only interpretation we can have...
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    BIBLIOGRAPHY. All scriptures quoted are from the NRSV. Bach, J.S. The Complete Cantatas. Translated by R. Stokes. Toronto: The Scarecrow Press, 2004. Cross, St John of the. Ascent of Mount Carmel. Translated by E. Allison Peers. London: Burns and Oats, 1983. Gutiérrez, Gustavo. On Job...
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    @marks On the question of Job, I wrote a study on him: Many identify with Job because they see themselves or others as victims, expressing their disappointment towards a silent God, for failing to step in to prevent their suffering, due to not understanding that Job's contention was not over...
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    The third way (Arminianism v Calvinism)

    @Christian Soldier wrote on another thread: "Every Christian hold to one of the two views. The fact that you reject Reformed theology, means that you hold to Arminian theology. I would be interested to hear about a third option, but I won't hold my breath as nobody has ever found it thus far...
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    It's rather more complicated than this. From my studies, it seems that it is common for one to lose the 'blessing' a few times till one becomes established. The pillar remaining in the temple. It seems that both Peter and Paul were established after their 'errors' as nothing further is...
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    "Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires." (Galatians 5:24) On second thoughts, I think that saying transcends flesh can be misleading as it leaves an option for it to remain alive, whereas Paul says death to it. I think that it goes a long...
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    I am allowed to have off topics removed.
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    Job sacrificed for his sons but not himself, as he knew that sacrifice was only required for those without faith in God alone for their salvation and not dependent on works. Well apart from asking for salvation. I rest in the fruitfulness of my love for my Saviour. Indeed and all of these...
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    @Christian Soldier @GodsGrace
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    Please move a discussion about Calvinism to another thread thank you.
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    Yes agreed. The ones that taught it - and not the majority as you say, were on the same spiritual 'wavelength' as me and were interpreting certain scriptures on the subject, in the same way that I believe God had taught me, and explaining that it had happened to them. The wolves certainly came...
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    I haven't spent a lot of time reading them, no, they are very hard to read at times. I have read them though secondary sources too. I found them because of my own experience of Theosis and thought that it should be taught by them, and it was. That is not to say that I go outside of scripture. I...
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    Of course, but the question in such a state is 'how do I get out of the flesh?' which was Pauls'. Yes I like the phrase 'transcendant'. One one has been there, it is never forgotten and one never ceases to long for it again, out of love for God. He is speaking of his martyrdom which was...
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    You said 'But don't you add a third condition, someone who has been called but not reborn yet?' so I took it you meant predestination. I see now what you did mean. David was convicted of sin, then repented I assume. Having given this some thought, I wonder whether the ones who were not coming...
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by...